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A new Blog on the street, it is testing the assertions of Robert Buckland MP Adver column on July 5th and Rod Bluh on July 7th.
Robert Buckland MP says people on JSA in South Swindon is 3.5% The house of Commons Library say it is 4.9%

However Rod Bluh and his use of statistics as always questioned on TS bear some study
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Councillor Bluh’s quotes an improvement in GCSE results from 2007 – 2010 of grades A*-G from 88 per cent to 95 per cent. Laudable indeed, but the Tories’ own Education Secretary, Michael Gove, prefers to use the predictor of A*-C grades, as these show how many young people have the ability to study A levels or their equivalent.

Bearing this in mind, before he wrote his column Councillor Bluh should have taken a look at the Department for Education’s Statistical Bulletin Number 8/99, which gives the full set of GCSE results for Swindon for 1997/98, i.e. the last results under the 1979 – 1997 Tory Government.

?In 1997/98, 44.7 per cent of Swindon’s 15 year olds achieved 5 good GCSE passes (A*-C)
?In 2009/10, 70.4 per cent of Swindon’s 15 year olds achieved 5 good GCSE passes (A*-C)
The stark contrast in these results shows what 13 years of Labour Government investment and rigorous work with schools achieved. Education was a priority for us because we know that children’s life chances are significantly improved if they have a good education.


Will anyone be  :embarassed: by this? Or as always statistics and politicians are only bad if.... Labour >:D But when Tory they are deemed to be  :angel: ?

Full blog post here
http://annesnelgrove.wordpress.com/2011/07/08/selective-statistics-from-swindons-tories/

It looks like Anne has put the cat amongst the pidgeons  >:D



Offline Terry Reynolds

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If the labour council was doing such a grand job and really looking after the education needs of the children of Swindon, why did the Labour Govenment, take away control of the ed dept and give it to a dept from Kent?. and do we need a blog from Ms Snelgrove, she cant even vote on her own, without a nod from her pals.

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You have to remember that when we had a Labour council, we also had a Tory government, wasn't Swindon education under the Tory run Wiltshire County council for a good part of that time too? and wasn;t Swindon left in the $%^&* by the County?

Whatever spin you put on it now, when Labour took over from Tory, education and the NHS were at rock bottom.  So bad that it took all the time Labour was in, to get it back up beyond the point of no return and improvements. How bad it was when Labour  left government is not up to lack of investment in their time in power, but the total lack of investment in the preceding years.


Oi! Listen mush. Old eyes, remember? I’ve been around the block a few times. More than a few. They’ve knocked down the blocks I’ve been around and rebuilt them as bigger blocks. Super blocks. And I’ve been round them as well.  The Doctor (Night Terrors)

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You have to remember that when we had a Labour council, we also had a Tory government, wasn't Swindon education under the Tory run Wiltshire County council for a good part of that time too? and wasn;t Swindon left in the $%^&* by the County?

Whatever spin you put on it now, when Labour took over from Tory, education and the NHS were at rock bottom.  So bad that it took all the time Labour was in, to get it back up beyond the point of no return and improvements. How bad it was when Labour  left government is not up to lack of investment in their time in power, but the total lack of investment in the preceding years.

Well said some crticise the Labour council  in its haste to become unitary got the sticky end of the wicket from WCC. Swindon  were well and truly stiched by WCC look at the state of the schools measure them against the temporary central library to give you an idea of the state of them. Mike Bawden was a god on WCC  or a myth in his own mind depending on your point of view he did naff all for Swindon Education just like some say Stan Pajack did for the Library Kingshill crossing etc, anyone know if it true?

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If the labour council was doing such a grand job and really looking after the education needs of the children of Swindon, why did the Labour Govenment, take away control of the ed dept and give it to a dept from Kent?. and do we need a blog from Ms Snelgrove, she cant even vote on her own, without a nod from her pals.


It was because the Tories ran the council Mike Bawden was leader
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Mike Bawden, leader of Swindon Borough Council, said: "The strategic partnership approach is innovative and we're convinced it will work well for Swindon.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/1952610.stm stop believing Tory cobblers.

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Good to see Anne is blogging; who knows politics may go viral in Swindon?
All posts on this forum are my own opinion and do not represent the views of any council or any political party.  :banana:

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Isnt life funny, here we had a labour government, and a labour run council of some years standing, the first had a look at the standards being set by the labour council and said enough was enough and took control of the dept away from them. Call it what you may, spin etc, but that was how it was, I cant see how a tory run a labour council ?.   and dont forget also, when Mick Martin tried to get the report published, so the people of Swidnon could see the facts for themselves, people like Mr Montaut went wild with rage about what he was trying to do and in effect said what he was saying was rubbish, they didnt say it after control was taken away though. On another tack, as Steve has come up, can you tellus what has happend so far about that lad who got killed on the dual carriage way?. I know the brother of the driver of the lorry, who is in a right mess as a result of the crash, have the police found out if the traffic was bumper to bumper at the time (3 am), did he think about crossing the road in a safe place, did he think if would be safer to cross after the truck went by etc etc. no need for a crossing just some common sense I think.. And as I have asked before with no answer, you can boast about the spending given by bliar etc, but how much went on education and how much went on pay and pensions etc..

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Apart from the last two years, have we had labour council Labour Government or a Tory council and Tory government running side by side?   

Except in the old days of course.
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Dole queues growing as recovery begins to stall
« Reply #8 on: July 13, 2011, 04:36:57 PM »
Is there any sign this is happening in Swindon?

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/politics/article-23969614-dole-queues-growing-as-recovery-begins-to-stall.do

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Really long and a bit out of date (covers up to Nov 210) but this is an excellent summary of employment and skills in the south west:

http://www.swslim.org.uk/Downloads/lesbs/2011/swindon.pdf

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Why dont you, Ringer, quote from the report publsihed today, which Mr Osbourne had each whitehall dept do, so the public could see the extent of Britains Wealth or Debt, and then see who was responsible for that amount.  We never, of course got this from Labour, who hid as much as possible, hence nearly every scheme launched by them was under the PFI banner, as it didnt need to be included in the national debt. the payments which will have to be made in the future for the public sector like teachers police officers nurses etc, now stands approx 1 trillion pounds, this amount is more than the combined debts of Ireland,Greece,Portugal and Spain.  The debt for all the PFI schemes now stands at approx 40 million pounds, last March, Mr Brown, put this total at just 5 billion pounds, I wouldnt let him run a sweet shop, with the national debt at over 900 billion, the national debt in total now stands at just over 2 trillion pounds, not any way near the total of the US, but enough to alarm most people who now stand to each household at around 78,000 pounds.  So Ringer, I wouldnt worry too much about employment, which if I am not wrong, was announced today at going down by 26,000, for the quarter, you could always employ a few bods to think up a plane, to fly off those white elephants that Prudence ordered.  Did you notice, Prudenc made a very rare trip to the Commons today, he was asked on the way in, if he was new to the place, but he is now on the hacking band wagon of course.

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Good to see Anne is blogging; who knows politics may go viral in Swindon?
you may need a tablet for that!   >:D
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In my personal opinion. If there was any bandwagon jumping Robert Buckland MP and Justin Tomlinson MP jumped on the bandwagon by voting with the Labour Motion, along with all the other Tories and whio can blame them as they had no leadership from day 1 on this from Dave. Cameron had flip flopped all over the show with during the last week. Brown was expressing his sentiment as a concerned father and I am sure many people will sympathise with him on the intrusion into his children's lives.

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You have to remember Ringer, that all this was going on , under Brown's leadership at the time, or was mike in charge, no it was brown, but he was busy sending out or replying to invites to brookes wedding or the invite to her at Chequeres for a night sleep in, very cosy, did you want the mps to vote against the motion then, and if you watched the Andrew Marr prorgamme last sunday, when, on the bandwagon as well,  Ed confirmed that he had a meeting with Murdoch two weeks ago and didnt even ask about the phone hacking, and when all these details about Browns son were being brought up, did he complain then or did he wait for his yearly appearance in the comons, as was said on the politics show, they were all in it together, all trying to better the next one and get a good headline for the morning paper,  ministers now have to report any such meetings with the press, did milliband or brown ever bring that in. I notice you make no comment on todays page 4 announcement by the adver, that employment went up last month by 1,100, but thats not your,labour, style is it.... : And in the national press, they are now saying that to overcome the financial mess we are in, income tax will have to rise by 12p in the pound in the very near future  On the BBC 1 oclock news yesterday, there was an interview with two men, one ran an international engineering firm and one ran a hotel, the engineer said he couldnt get people to work for him who were qualified, or had even passed an apprenticeship, and the hotel man had 10 workers and only 2 came from the uk, as he said uk workers didnt want to work and wanted more pay than was offered, and  rejected any offer of a full time employment in favour of benefits.. .   :2funny:

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Topic levered off education statistics and onto phone hacking in 14 posts....  ;D

Back to the original question then, whose stats are correct/believable:  Anne Snelgroves, or Robert Buckland and Roderick Bluh's ?

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Well wasn't it the House Of Commons Library? So it looks like they have difficulty with either a) research b) transcribing them c) understanding them, or did they just pluck them from somewhere? No it could just have been  political spin that got in the way of the article. Never let the facts get in the way of a good story!

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Len Cook, when National Statistician, described himself as the country's most abused civil servant.[32] Occasional errors and revisions accounts for some past criticism while the allocation of Private Finance Initiative expenditure (albeit following OECD and international statistical guidelines according to who carries the risk) has attracted political attention.

Many of the most controversial topics for statistics issued by government do not come from ONS though they are expected to meet National Statistics standards. Crime statistics and other data (e.g. health and education) that could be deemed to assess the effectiveness of government policies often attract media scepticism. The compulsory nature of the census (unlike most other surveys by academics and market researchers) differentiates ONS from other data collectors (apart from HM Revenue and Customs). The Office for National Statistics won the 2004 Big Brother Award for the "Most Heinous Government Organisation" from the campaigning organisation Privacy International for its Citizen Information Project. The project is one of several that lead the Information Commissioner to warn that there is a danger of the country "sleepwalking" into a surveillance society.[33] There has also been criticism of the ONS and of the government for its pursuit of government policies for modernization and for relocation to sites outside London. It is not moving to a single site and will continue to perform most of its functions from the two sites in Newport and Titchfield while reducing its London operation to one eventual small location


I think statistics are routinely abused to the extent that you can use them to prove just about anything, you can be selective in your choice, omit data, bend data and extrapolate to the point of nonsense.

86% of women agreed Nivea made their skin all shiny. The small print then reveals 17 were sampled. Statistically we'veall got less than two legs.

I think the mistake is in considering that statistics are facts. So, my answer would be that all of their statistics are correct and just a bit irrelevant if you are part of the data.
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Geoff, if Ms Snelgrove said black was black, I wouldnt believe her, given the push, she vote for what ever the big man says anyway.. I hear that now that Brown has faded into the distant past, she is now a Balls man, I wonder if he has stabbed her in the back yet..

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"she is now a Balls man"


No change there then ?
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I thought she had always been a supporter of Blinky?