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Re: Coate Water Development
« Reply #40 on: October 13, 2006, 11:02:08 PM »
If the housing need is so pressing, why not that rather than turning Coate into a garden walled by an estate?
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« Reply #41 on: October 29, 2006, 12:45:45 PM »
Looks like any debate is academic as the bulldozers have been in an dug huge trenches right upto the fence all along the side of Coate Water. Nice to see the democratic process alive and working in Swindon as usual. :bash:

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« Reply #42 on: October 29, 2006, 07:17:11 PM »
Looks like any debate is academic as the bulldozers have been in an dug huge trenches right upto the fence all along the side of Coate Water. Nice to see the democratic process alive and working in Swindon as usual. :bash:

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« Reply #43 on: October 29, 2006, 08:06:30 PM »
Looks like any debate is academic as the bulldozers have been in an dug huge trenches right upto the fence all along the side of Coate Water. Nice to see the democratic process alive and working in Swindon as usual. :bash:

Anyone got photos?
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« Reply #44 on: October 30, 2006, 01:33:21 PM »
As far as I am aware, the digging is all part of the archaeological study.  No planning permission has been granted yet.

The area is rich in archaeology dating back to the Bronze Age - hence the fact that there were once about 5 stone circles in the area.  The trenches dug where the park and ride site is planned next to the hospital revealed bronze age, medieval and Roman finds in every trench dug!

I told the planning inspector that the archeological importance of the area alone makes it worth preserving let alone the ecological, landscape and literary importance of the area.  But nobody listens to what I say!

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« Reply #45 on: October 30, 2006, 05:24:14 PM »
After watching Timeteam and having been involved in an archeological dig-with Wessex Archeology at Lydiard, I'd be surprised if this is one.They look too deep & too many to be archeological- and whose supposed to be doing it?

 Just huge bulldozed trenches and piles of earth with bits of tape on poles stuck into them  ( unsifted- no trowels, or brushes to be seen).

 Looks more like the service trenches like the ones they dug at the Front Garden. I'm quite prepared to be persuaded though. But wouldn't it have been in the paper?

Sorry- didn't have my camera yesterday

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« Reply #46 on: October 31, 2006, 09:51:39 AM »
I suspect that Alex is right that the latest excavations won't find archaelogy.  The field in question is high quality agricultural land and would have been used for farming for generations.

A magnetic susceptibility of this Day House Farm field did reveal "a zone of high magnetic susceptibility in the southwest corner of the field".  This isn't the part of the field that is being explored at the moment as far as I can tell.  There were also some linear zones of high magnetic susceptibility found in the field. 

Interesting to note is that a World War II bomb landed in this area and created a large crater.  The crater was filled in and no-one remembers the exact location of it.  Perhaps they are looking for the bomb or shrapnel from it.

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« Reply #47 on: November 01, 2006, 06:52:36 PM »
Billy Piper on Coate Water..




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Our Billie’s a real star turn

I was appalled by your coverage of Billie Piper's visit. I was in that queue for more than two hours, and for much of that time we could see Billie, through the window - and she was super.

She chatted to everyone, and repeatedly leant across the table to be photographed with the children.

Some of us at least were aware that she'd stayed much longer than planned, and appreciated that.
continued...

In the event the queue was cut off before the end, but not until at least three quarters of the people queueing had gone through.

When it came to my turn she was exhausted. We had a few words, and she was good enough to express horror at the prospect of Coate Water being surrounded by development.


http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/swindonletters/display.var.994904.0.our_billies_a_real_star_turn.php

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« Reply #48 on: November 05, 2006, 02:17:46 PM »
Went again today , this time with the camera. They've filled in some of the trenches and dug yet more others. They've left the actual craters alone which were mentioned by Jean.

Here are the pics: sorry for lack of focus on some- I'm not tall enough to see over the fence  :-[

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« Reply #49 on: November 05, 2006, 02:32:10 PM »
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« Reply #50 on: November 06, 2006, 10:11:44 AM »
Anyone have any ideas what the big oval anomaly in the field between Day House farm and Coate is?  pictured here :

http://news.webshots.com/photo/2479934000058144514LwhkVf
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« Reply #51 on: November 06, 2006, 11:14:33 AM »
Anyone have any ideas what the big oval anomaly in the field between Day House farm and Coate is?  pictured here :

http://news.webshots.com/photo/2479934000058144514LwhkVf


Great shot,  kecl.  The records with the County archaeologist state that this area was used for mineral extraction.  This might explian the circular appearance.  The record says that Mesolithic flint tools were found during fieldwork [not sure when].

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« Reply #52 on: November 06, 2006, 11:19:54 AM »
More on this - the last reference was related to a specific point in the circle. 

According to another record, it is described as a "large enclosure, possibly prehistoric [that was visible] on a RAF aerial photo taken in 1946.  There are traces of an earthwork feature visible at ground level."

Where did you get the photo, kecl?  Can I get a copy?  I don't seem to be able to save it from the web site.

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« Reply #53 on: November 06, 2006, 11:59:11 AM »
You need to click on 'view full size picture' then you'll be able to right-click and save it.

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« Reply #54 on: November 06, 2006, 01:07:17 PM »

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« Reply #55 on: November 06, 2006, 03:40:27 PM »
Thank you so much, everyone.

Another interesting area is the triangle of dark-brown land between the "legs" of the lake.  This is thought to be a Bronze Age settlement.  This has been excluded from the current planning application for tree-planting.  However the County archaeologist is concerned that planting trees will destroy the archaelogy and he favours keeping it as a flower-rich hay meadow.

The so-called D-shaped field south-east of the nature reserve is the one that English Nature are adamant should be protected.  It is a lovely boggy field used by waders.  This is where the developers propose to put the 5-storey high student blocks!

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Re: Coate Water Development
« Reply #56 on: November 06, 2006, 09:58:06 PM »
The aerial picture of Coate is from a get mapping photo, web site here:
http://www2.getmapping.com/webshop/Web/CommonPages/Main/Start.aspx

Type in the Holiday Inn's post code: SN3 6AQ then you can roam around.  There is 2 options,  1999/2000 and 2000/2003 pictures.   You can see the anomalies in both images.  It's quite expensive to purchase copies so i have no doubt broken copyright putting the pic on the net,  so as i have done it once,  here is another image, this time from the Adver 31 May '06 you can clearly see the marks in the soil of the middle field.

http://news.webshots.com/photo/2231806260058144514ZMXzbD



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Re: Coate Water Development
« Reply #57 on: November 20, 2006, 10:09:52 AM »
In case you haven't heard, the developers have come up with new proposals that would increase the buffer by 40%.  As 40% of 10m is 14m metres [their previous smallest buffer] whilst that for 100m is 140m [their previous widest section], the offer is neither here nor there - still pathetic.

I do wish that the Adver would stop misleading people by saying that Coate Water would be destroyed.  It is the setting that would be destroyed not the lake.

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20 November 2006

New hope for Coate Water

By Lyndsay Scanlan

NEXT year will be crunch time for Coate Water after developers put forward new plans that could see the popular nature reserve expanded.

The Swindon Gateway Partnership wants to create a university campus, expand the Great Western Hospital and build hundreds of new homes on land at nearby Coate in what it is calling a once in a lifetime opportunity.

Plans were originally submitted to Swindon Council earlier this year but the developers were told to make adjustments, which have included increasing the buffer zone separating the nature reserve from the development site by 40
per cent.

Campaigners who are against the scheme have already hit out at the plans and say in spite of the changes Coate Water will still be destroyed if this goes ahead.

But if plans are given the green light, Coate Water could increase by 60 acres.

The University of Bath wants a new campus at Coate while 1,800 new houses would be built by Persimmon Homes and Redrow Homes.

Les Durrant, the chairman and managing director of Old Town-based planning consultants DPDS, said: "We have a once in a lifetime opportunity to make Coate Water Country Park a bigger, richer and more diverse environment for the people of Swindon and to enhance the Coate Water Site of Special Scientific Interest.

"It has never been suggested that any part of the park should be built on, and our plans have always included a natural buffer zone to minimise the visual and environmental impact of development from the neighbouring Gateway site.

"We are now looking to expand this buffer zone by more than 40 per cent and are considering whether this area, together with other protected land on the Gateway site, should be gifted to Swindon Council to manage in perpetuity.

"This could mean Coate Water Country Park increasing in size by around 24 hectares - almost 60 acres.

"By extending the buffer zone to the south of the Coate Water SSSI it could be connected for the first time to the Burderop Wood SSSI, providing a vast continuous wildlife haven.

"We are also considering ecological and environmental enhancements to the buffer zone.

"These include new ponds and lakes to attract birds and other wildlife; additional nature conservation areas; woodland planting; reed beds and wet grassland."

The plans are being publicised by a newsletter, which is being sent to residents in the town and to key community stakeholders.

An updated meeting for stakeholders is planned for the end of this month and there will be a public exhibition of the final plans in the New Year before the plans are submitted to the council.

The Swindon Gateway Partnership is an organisation which consists of the University of Bath, the Swindon and Marlborough NHS Trust, Redrow Homes and Persimmon Homes.


Wrong place

ALAN Hayward, of Swindon Civic Trust, has been campaigning for a university to be located in Swindon town centre and does not think the development should go ahead.

"This is the wrong thing to do to the area," he said.

"These revised plans still do not address the fact that this is the wrong site and the buffer that's proposed still does not protect the land around Coate Water.

"Our argument has always been that Coate Water is the wrong site for this development.

"Particularly we think this is the wrong site for a university.

"The university should be in the centre of town. The council are talking about the town's regeneration and what better way to give the town centre more life than to have a lot more younger people?"

"If the university goes ahead at Coate there will be no need for the young people to even come into town."


This does not go far enough'

JEAN Saunders, of the Save Coate campaign, says in spite of these plans the fight to save the nature reserve is far from over.

"My initial reaction is that the plan is still totally inadequate because the buffer is not big enough to protect Coate Water and its environment," she said.

"The proposed buffer that they suggested is not good enough because in some parts the buffer is very small anyway and so an extra 40 per cent is not going to make any difference.

"We are proposing that the buffer must be at least a kilometre and I am disappointed this is not in their plans but we will keep fighting on.

"We now have almost 30,000 signatures for our petition and everyone is calling for the buffer to be a kilometre.

"If we don't get the kilometre Coate Water will end up looking like a glorified duck pond in the middle of a town."

She added: "Coate Water really is a special place. People feel like they are not in Swindon when they are there. It needs to be preserved not taken away form the people of Swindon.

"If we get our buffer it will mean there is only room for the hospital to expand but the university and the houses could go somewhere else.

"I just hope common sense will prevail."


Waiting to see revised plans

COUN Andrew Bennett (Con, Ridgeway), the chairman of Swindon Council's planning committee, said he has not seen the revised plans yet but is looking forward to seeing them in the New Year.

"By the time applications get to the planning committee stage all the support and objections have been received," he said.

"But there will be a limited opportunity for the developers and members of the public to put their point of view across.

"Then after this has happened the planning committee will be in a position to reach a conclusion, whether that is to allow the application to go ahead, to refuse, it defer it or whatever."

Coun Bennett added that when DPDS's plans were first inspected it was highlighted that the buffer zones needed to be increased.

"This was suggested to create a larger space between the development and the country park," he said.
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Re: Coate Water Development
« Reply #58 on: November 20, 2006, 11:38:55 AM »
I would like to see some artists impressions of the view from the east side of the lake towards Liddinton hill, based on this new proposal.

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« Reply #59 on: November 20, 2006, 12:18:12 PM »
The Swindon Advertiser is running a telephone poll. 

PLEASE, EVERYONE, RING 0901 221 0272 to register the view that the new plans will NOT protect Coate Water.

There is no online poll - presumably because those who wanted to close down Lower Shaw Farm tried to rig the Adver's online poll in their favour!

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