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« Reply #1080 on: January 03, 2013, 06:59:19 PM »
Has the Working Party appointed its Chairman yet?

I hear that their first meeting failed to produce one and it was only agreed to form one some eight weeks ago!

Still we have waited for the truth for the last two years so what is another eight weeks among friends?
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« Reply #1081 on: January 03, 2013, 08:40:52 PM »
Now don't hold your breath, but i do have a 'sort of apology' from the Great Leader with regard to the Wi-Fi fiasco. In a message to me, Coun Bluh states "Digital City is history - it failed - acknowledged. I accept my error of judgement about Digital City and here he spoils his mea culpa it has been rescued to very good effect"

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« Reply #1082 on: January 03, 2013, 09:06:09 PM »
Much to the annoyance of Coun Bluh and Perkins plus i imagine some officers, i continue to ask questions in the vain hope that answers will be provided. I have followed up my request dated 7 December 2012 with this hopeful missive.

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Dear Coun Perkins 

Am I to assume you will not be responding to my request for a ‘proper answer’ to what is a reasonable question with regard to the spending of part of the £400k loaned to a Company of which you are a director.

I would remind you that it was you who assured the people of Swindon that “I have no objection to people knowing where the £400,000 had been spent – at all”

I am merely taking you at your word and requesting that you honour your own commitment. You are a director and as such you not only signed the accounts but you presented them and confirmed you were responsible for their preparation and the financial statements.

It is surely not too much to ask that you confirm what is a very simple question, which requires only that you confirm whether any payments, under four payment headings, were made to Mr Hunt or any member of Mr Hunt’s family and was any of the money paid to Mr Hunt or to any family member or company/organisation with which Mr Hunt had an association?

The people of Swindon have a right to expect that you ‘used your best endeavours’ to protect the position of the Council with regard to the loan of £400k and that you exercised the proper diligence required of you as a director of the company. To state that you don’t have the information with which to explain payments of £67,100 is a sad dereliction of your fiduciary duty.

I challenge you to fulfil the assurance you gave to the people of Swindon on 2 September 2011

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« Reply #1083 on: January 03, 2013, 09:11:49 PM »
Thats you off the christmas card list Des.... :santa_wink: :santa_wink:

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« Reply #1084 on: January 03, 2013, 09:37:03 PM »
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Thats you off the christmas card list Des

As if i was ever on it!!!!

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« Reply #1085 on: January 04, 2013, 05:53:02 PM »
The issue of open and transparent Government is a joke. The Council commissioned a report of 'The way forward with Digital City' The Council used taxpayer money, some £10,100 to pay Price Waterhouse Cooper to tell them what was 'bleedin obvious' and now are attempting to hide the report from public scrutiny.

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Further to my email below, I can confirm that in accordance with agreed contractual arrangements, the Council has contacted Price Waterhouse Coopers following your FoI request relating to their report. The Council has only recently received their response and needs to consider the report under the following exemptions:

·         Section 40(2) Third Party Personal Information - the information requested contains personal data such as the names of various individuals. Such information cannot be released if it would breach the Data Protection Act 1998 principles. 

·         PWC have also commented that ‘the report  remains Price Waterhouse Coopers proprietary and confidential information as provided for under sections 5 and 6 of the terms of business under which our report was prepared. Furthermore, the report contains information relating to entities other than Swindon Borough Council including the financial information of Digital City UK Limited and the share holdings of Avidity and aQovia.’  The Council, therefore, needs to consider if the content of the report may be exempt from disclosure under Section 43 - Commercial Interests, and/or section 41 – information provided in confidence.

·         The Information contained within the report was provided to enable a free and frank discussion to take place and for the Council to consider options on a way forward and therefore may also be subject to Section 36 - Prejudice to effective conduct of public affairs.

We plan to reach a conclusion no later than  11th January 2013

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« Reply #1086 on: January 04, 2013, 06:01:25 PM »

Ebeneezer Taylor must have been digging deep into the Christmas edition of Bleak Wat Tyler House for those gems Des

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« Reply #1087 on: January 04, 2013, 09:17:40 PM »
Des, just go back and say that you dont want names etc, just was the money ill spent and on whose watch did it happen, ie council leader, CEO, etc.. and then that person can be figured for the slip up.. :santa_wink: :santa_wink:

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« Reply #1088 on: January 05, 2013, 04:15:36 AM »
If the PWC report said anything complimentary about SBC's inception and handling of the WiFi'asco Bluh & Co would have been waving it gleefully a long time back.

If the PWC report is not handed over, without preconditions, to the wifi enquiry, then the wifi enquiry will be proven to be a wi-wash.

I wonder how long the wifi conspiritors will dare to wilfully block the release of the PWC and accidental directors reports to the Crown Prosecution Service.

I can think of at least 5 allegations of conspiricy which warrant proper investigation, plus a couple of others.

The longer this goes on, and the harder they try to prevent the full depth of their deception becoming public, the guiltier they appear.

They could have chosen to tell the truth but decided to lie instead. Inevitably people will wonder what those lies are intended to conceal and who they are supposed to protect.

This is why none of us are in a particular rush.


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« Reply #1089 on: January 05, 2013, 08:51:25 AM »
Are SBC stating that a review and report that they paid PWC to undertake does not ultimately belong to SBC. I find that hard to believe. (maybe SBC dont actually own the tabarnacle stones - some one should check)

methinks the BS are trying to pull a fast one.

I also think, like Geoff, that there appears to be some sort of attempted cover up.  If our elected representatives are behaving in this manner then its  time they were gone.

Clutching at straws is usually a sign of desperation and who would argue that we dont have a desperate bunch on board the good ship SBC. They can only avoid the icebergs for so long.....

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« Reply #1090 on: January 05, 2013, 10:23:27 AM »
the wifi enquiry will be proven to be a wi-wash.

Wiwash  :santa_grin: very good made I Larf it did  :popcorn:
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« Reply #1091 on: January 05, 2013, 05:23:44 PM »
Are SBC stating that a review and report that they paid PWC to undertake does not ultimately belong to SBC. I find that hard to believe. (maybe SBC dont actually own the tabarnacle stones - some one should check)

methinks the BS are trying to pull a fast one.

I also think, like Geoff, that there appears to be some sort of attempted cover up.  If our elected representatives are behaving in this manner then its  time they were gone.

Clutching at straws is usually a sign of desperation and who would argue that we dont have a desperate bunch on board the good ship SBC. They can only avoid the icebergs for so long.....

I'm not the only person to think that the amount of effort being expended to keep secret a number of WiFi'asco facts which should be in the public domain because it is in the public interest that they be made public is disproportionate to the degree of mere political blushing they will cause when they do finally become public.

Despite being repeatedly advised & asked not to do so, Council Directors and Council members engaged in a joint enterprise to pass monies from the public purse into the hands of a private individual on a basis which can be described as 'tenuous' at best.

They continued to pass further amounts of money to the same individual even after the point at which they could no longer deny that they knew the money would be lost.

Everything after this looks suspiciously like conspiracy to x, y and z. :)


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« Reply #1092 on: January 06, 2013, 06:58:26 PM »
Did Digital City have access to a bank loan in its own right?

I asked this question of Coun Perkins as I could see no mention of any external funding in Digital City's accounts.  He did provide a very clear and unambiguous answer 

“Digital City has not, in its own right, ever obtained bank funding”.

I then thought mmm this is a bit odd as an Internal Audit report prepared by Borough Council officer, Nick Hobbs and dated 9 April 2010 Ref IA inv /09-10 11 which covered the background to the granting of a loan to Digital City UK Limited for that company to provide a Borough wide Wi-Fi facility, at page 8 of 18 in particular 3.1.16 of the report under sub heading (b) Credit worthiness of Digital City   said this -

“It is understood that since the commencement of the Wi-Fi project Digital City UK Limited has been successful in obtaining a bank loan in the (sic) own right”

Both statements cannot be true, either Digital City did or it did not obtain bank funding by way of a bank loan.

This week has witnessed one of the most incredible attempts at re-defining the term Bank Loan.

My understanding of this, based on correspondence I was copied into some time ago between Rikki Hunt and Digital City’s bank, is that Rikki himself acted as guarantor for a temporary overdraft facility made available to Digital City.  Whether this constitutes Digital City obtaining bank funding in its own right depends on how you view it. 

Incidentally, note the use of the word 'funding' - I never asked about funding i used the word 'loan' quite deliberately as it was used in both the Internal Audit Report and Coun Perkin's reply to me.

I somehow don't think that even most avid Digital City fan would attempt to suggest that a bank overdraft constitutes a bank loan. Particulalry when taken in the context of the report.

The sub heading used by Nick Hobbs was 'credit worthiness' - in other words he was trying to link the granting of a loan by a bank to the decision of the Council to give Digital City a further £250,000 of taxpayer money. In effect he was telling councillors - 'hey look a bank is loaning DC money, so you can to'

The issue of the overdraft should be considered against the comment of the Chief Executive of SBC who advised that in March 2010, a month before the Audit Report was presented, DC was paying only essential bills from an overdraft facility. That facility was not required following the release of the £250,000.

Equally of note was the fact that the Chief Executive conceded that "I believe it has been clear since March 2010 that the council had concerns about Digital City's ability to deliver on the agreed business plan within the available funding."  

Despite this view the Council still released the funds to Mr Hunt - very odd indeed 

Digital City's 'credit worthiness' was worth less in April 2010 than it was when initial checks were made at the commencement of the project

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« Reply #1093 on: January 06, 2013, 08:46:13 PM »
Did Digital City have access to a bank loan in its own right?

I asked this question of Coun Perkins as I could see no mention of any external funding in Digital City's a
“It is understood that since the commencement of the Wi-Fi project Digital City UK Limited has been successful in obtaining a bank loan in the (sic) own right”



Makes total sense Des - there is only one way a start up like Dc would obtain bank funding, with a directors guarantee. Presumably at that time Hunt was credit worthy.
Although in event of a defaultthe bank would have gone after Hunt, DC would be the creditor.

The only other sort of bank funding would have come from invoice discounting. DC didn't raise any.

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« Reply #1094 on: January 06, 2013, 10:34:33 PM »
But the point is that DC didn't have a bank loan, although officers of the council suggested they did have.

The project was estimated to cost £1.5 millions of which the loan by SBC was ever only a part, that is clear from every document I have seen.

Councillors were 'force fed' a diet of ambiguity and misleading information.

They were told that DC had a bank loan, not the amount, just that a bank had displayed confidence in the company and by default the project itself.

According to the same report 'at least two other potential investors had shown a positive interest in DC' - the CE of SBC is on record as saying  "I believe it has been clear since March 2010 that the council had concerns about Digital City's ability to deliver on the agreed business plan within the available funding" and yet these very keen investors vanished with the same speed in which they allegedly appeared, and all before August 2010.

This date is important as the CEO of SBC is on record as stating "By August 2010it was already clear that the project would stall without the further investment that was being sought." The italics are mine, simply to confirm the year being referred to.

So between March 2010 the date when the proposal to release the whole £300k second tranche was proposed by officers, April 2010, the date of the Audit Report, and August 2010 when the CEO considered the project was dead in the water without further investment; the two parties referred to in the Audit Report had vanished - so coincidental?

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« Reply #1095 on: January 06, 2013, 11:14:50 PM »
I believe Des that the 2 prospective investors could not have included Bathgate's West Lothian Council as, referring to the date timeline on TS, they were still a prospective customer in August 2010.

I believe and I think others are of the same mind, that these 2 prospective investors were complete fabrications. The SBC CEO is also saying that Digital City was dead in the water long before Bathgate turned down the offer of a "poke of beans" for their cow.
What's it all about?

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« Reply #1096 on: January 07, 2013, 12:50:39 PM »

I believe it is fair to say that numerous claims made by Councillors, Directors, architects and supporters the Digital City/SBC WiFi'asco were mendacious fabrications although I am sure they will be, at some future point, explained away as 'interpretations reached in good faith'.

At present I am particularly enjoying:

1. The official 'interpretation' that the Price Waterhouse Cooper report, (commissioned by a public body and paid for by Swindon Taxpayers), remains the property of Price Waterhouse Cooper and cannot therefore be made public.

2. The Borough Solicitors obfuscatory re-interpretation of Freedom Of Information Law.

I foresee a time when Stephen Taylor will be asked to explain himself, (through a barrister also paid for by the Swindon Taxpayer no doubt), or risk being held in contempt of court.

As far as the court of public opinion is concerned, I think it fair to suggest, Ladies and Gentlemen of the jury, that the main players in the WiFi'asco are already held in at least as much contempt as they have shown to the Swindon Taxpayer.     

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« Reply #1097 on: January 07, 2013, 04:23:38 PM »
It may sem a silly question to ask, but cant someone from the public take these so called 'experts' to court and get this thrashed out once and for all...would we be able to get legal aid etc..

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« Reply #1098 on: January 07, 2013, 11:58:36 PM »
It may sem a silly question to ask, but cant someone from the public take these so called 'experts' to court and get this thrashed out once and for all...would we be able to get legal aid etc..

But we're still experiencing the spectacle of watching a whole bunch of people digging their own graves as they shout loudly that they're planting flowers and that there is 'not a shred of evidence' that they're grave digging.

The wifi'asco has a little further to run, and its conspirators have a few more lies to utter before anything really interesting happens.

Kohima, you should expect to see Bluh & Co declare themselves 'exonerated', 'cleared' and 'vindicated' by the WiFi'asco inquiry conclusion. (regardless of whatever the conclusion actually says of course).  Bluhligans  never before let the facts get in the way of telling a good bullshit  :santa_grin:

The Vile Gentleman counsels patience....


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« Reply #1099 on: January 08, 2013, 08:01:28 AM »
, you should expect to see Bluh & Co declare themselves 'exonerated', 'cleared' and 'vindicated' by the WiFi'asco inquiry conclusion. (regardless of whatever the conclusion actually says of course).  Bluhligans  never before let the facts get in the way of telling a good bullshit  :santa_grin:

The Vile Gentleman counsels patience....

Are you mixing your metaphors with the  Croft School Internal Inquiry   :santa_undecided:
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