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Offline Richard Symonds

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'Not Interested' Is that the Theme of this Election?
« on: April 19, 2011, 09:19:26 AM »
Those of you who know me well know I talk to a lot of people and the reaction to this election is very interesting.

There are those people who are very angry with the Administration about the Cuts and the Wastage of Money on Wi-fi and Pissoirs etc.

and

There are those people who are angry about Politicians in general because of the Expense Scandals.

and

There are those people who are plain 'Not Interested'.

and I cannot recall so little interest at this time of a election run in so

What effect is this going to have on the day?  I understand the Advertiser seem to think nothing will change and even Peter Mallinson will get back in Walcot.  For my part I am not so sure, it depends who comes out to vote on the day.  What do you think?


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Re: 'Not Interested' Is that the Theme of this Election?
« Reply #1 on: April 19, 2011, 09:24:23 AM »
Sick of it! might be a better slogan.
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Re: 'Not Interested' Is that the Theme of this Election?
« Reply #2 on: April 19, 2011, 09:30:44 AM »
Sick of it! might be a better slogan.

Sorry Muggins but Not Interested is so very Swindon.
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Re: 'Not Interested' Is that the Theme of this Election?
« Reply #3 on: April 19, 2011, 09:33:32 AM »
The main political parties are fighting such uninspired, complacent campaigns. Tories? '4 more years!' Labour? 'Yah boo cuts!' Lib Dems? 'Cuddly puppies and parking!' UKIP? 'EU and immigration!'


I don't feel any of the candidates has recognised, let along acknowledged, the main issues facing Swindon: unemployment, how we scale back the council without putting people at risk, traffic chaos, housing supply/demand/costs, representing the community and promoting social cohesion.

Beyond this, we need politicians who can be held accountable and will scrutinise major council decisions, particularly expensive decisions. Competence and transparency, please.

What do other posters thin g the crucial issues are? And are the candidates reflecting this?
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Re: 'Not Interested' Is that the Theme of this Election?
« Reply #4 on: April 19, 2011, 09:44:44 AM »
Politically charged forums tend to give a distorted view of the wider reality.

Most people here know, for sure, who they will not be voting for and, very likely, who they will be voting for (or at least have it down to a choice of two). By the very nature of bothering to post on a forum such as this, it shows an interest in politics - and, obviously, most people with an interest in politics want to see their choice of candidate elected to represent them (and, generally, want it to be the same for everyone else, regardless of what they may vote for).

But when you speak to the vast majority of people, they think that local politicians don't/can't really achieve anything of any real note and that it won't, ultimately, make much difference who the council is made up of. Similarly, of the people I've spoken to, virtually none of them have any interest whatsoever in the AV referendum and largely haven't considered it worth even appraising themselves of the options.

The turnout at the May elections is likely to be low and, I agree with Richard, it's because the majority of people simply don't care. They have far more pressing concerns in many cases.
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The main political parties are fighting such uninspired, complacent campaigns. Tories? '4 more years!' Labour? 'Yah boo cuts!' Lib Dems? 'Cuddly puppies and parking!' UKIP? 'EU and immigration!'


I don't feel any of the candidates has recognised, let along acknowledged, the main issues facing Swindon: unemployment, how we scale back the council without putting people at risk, traffic chaos, housing supply/demand/costs, representing the community and promoting social cohesion.

Beyond this, we need politicians who can be held accountable and will scrutinise major council decisions, particularly expensive decisions. Competence and transparency, please.

What do other posters thin g the crucial issues are? And are the candidates reflecting this?

I think they are and next year will be the crunch with the all outs, that is why it should always be all outs as thirds do not allow voters to make a change. I know polticians will say that voters get an opportunity to send a message once a year, but nothing fires the imagination like an all out. Look at 2000 broke Labour's grip.... and the rest is history. I want all outs, it's the only  sensible alternative to thirds. 
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Re: 'Not Interested' Is that the Theme of this Election?
« Reply #6 on: April 19, 2011, 01:52:37 PM »
Tend to agree, but if this is purdah for thirds, I'm dreading this time next year, I might just give up for three months.
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Re: 'Not Interested' Is that the Theme of this Election?
« Reply #7 on: April 19, 2011, 02:04:44 PM »
I was asked if I was going to organise a Hustings type event before the May Elections last week, but unfortunately I haven't the time.

I thought last years was a success !

However, next year I will plan ahead and organise something, I think it will be more appropriate and important for the 2012 Elections taking into account the changes to the ward structure  etc.

Fancy helping me Muggins ?  >:D
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« Reply #8 on: April 19, 2011, 03:41:45 PM »
Absolutely 100% Chav. But can we have it in the Church this time, it's got a stage?

Choose your date and we will have a year to arrange it. 

I have enough junk here to hold a car boot to pay for  the room rent and the leaflets etc.   In fact I'd dib into my savings if it means we get better chance of a good councillor (or two) up here for the following four years.

And we will have a year to try and get people to understand why they should really look at the person  they will be voting for.
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« Reply #9 on: April 19, 2011, 05:09:50 PM »
Absolutely 100% Chav. But can we have it in the Church this time, it's got a stage?

Choose your date and we will have a year to arrange it. 

I have enough junk here to hold a car boot to pay for  the room rent and the leaflets etc.   In fact I'd dib into my savings if it means we get better chance of a good councillor (or two) up here for the following four years.

And we will have a year to try and get people to understand why they should really look at the person  they will be voting for.

Brilliant !
Sorted then  O0

I will be happy to contribute to the hall hire cost  :wink:

Hopefully we will have enough time to promote the event and get the residents interested !  O0
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« Reply #10 on: April 19, 2011, 06:19:41 PM »
I'll do that, you arrange for the video-ist and recorder and microphone.

By the way, not so keen on your new avatar, I have to keep doing a double take. 
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« Reply #11 on: April 19, 2011, 06:27:55 PM »
I'll do that, you arrange for the video-ist and recorder and microphone.

By the way, not so keen on your new avatar, I have to keep doing a double take.
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I will speak with 105.5 re: sound system etc.
We will need a compare/chair person to ensure that order is kept in the house !
There will be other things as well - I will ring you when I get chance  :wink:

Simon -  :) if you are available on the date TBA for the 2012 Elections, would you be willing to come along and video it for us ?

Don't worry if you can't, but you did a fantastic job of it last time  O0

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Re: 'Not Interested' Is that the Theme of this Election?
« Reply #12 on: April 19, 2011, 06:36:00 PM »
"We will need a compare/chair person"  The perennial problem - finding someone with no 'interest to declare'   
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« Reply #13 on: April 19, 2011, 06:43:15 PM »
Might as well start as we mean to go on chav:  O0

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Re: 'Not Interested' Is that the Theme of this Election?
« Reply #14 on: April 19, 2011, 07:45:37 PM »
Muggins - we can meet and greet and run round with the microphones and I will keep my beedy eye on whats going on on the floor - any funny business and I will eject people from the hall  >:D
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« Reply #15 on: April 19, 2011, 09:17:07 PM »
Simon -  :) if you are available on the date TBA for the 2012 Elections, would you be willing to come along and video it for us ?

This sounds like something worthy of the SimonDotException youtube treatment :)

Just give me a couple of months' notice of the date so that I can take a few days off work to do a decent editing and publishing job whilst turning it around reasonably quickly.

Are we talking Penhill only or Swindon-wide this time?
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« Reply #16 on: April 19, 2011, 09:42:05 PM »
Simon -  :) if you are available on the date TBA for the 2012 Elections, would you be willing to come along and video it for us ?

This sounds like something worthy of the SimonDotException youtube treatment :)

Just give me a couple of months' notice of the date so that I can take a few days off work to do a decent editing and publishing job whilst turning it around reasonably quickly.

Are we talking Penhill only or Swindon-wide this time?

This will be a Penhill jobby (well what ever the ward is by then )  - not sure what the rest of Swindon are doing  :azn:
It would be fantastic if you could Simon  :)
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Re: 'Not Interested' Is that the Theme of this Election?
« Reply #17 on: April 20, 2011, 07:57:18 PM »
This will be a Penhill jobby (well what ever the ward is by then )  - not sure what the rest of Swindon are doing  :azn:
It would be fantastic if you could Simon  :)

I consider it an honour to be asked :)

Remember last time we talked about getting some of the local people involved in filming a future such event and getting it up onto the interwebs? Wouldn't it be cool if we could have multiple cameras (I've got 2 but can only really operate one at once)? Do you think you could recruit some volunteer DV camera operators?
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« Reply #18 on: April 20, 2011, 08:04:58 PM »
This will be a Penhill jobby (well what ever the ward is by then )  - not sure what the rest of Swindon are doing  :azn:
It would be fantastic if you could Simon  :)

I consider it an honour to be asked :)

Remember last time we talked about getting some of the local people involved in filming a future such event and getting it up onto the interwebs? Wouldn't it be cool if we could have multiple cameras (I've got 2 but can only really operate one at once)? Do you think you could recruit some volunteer DV camera operators?

Hi Simon
Many thanks and its a pleasure  >:D
I am sure we can muster up some volunteer DV camera operators for you.
I may try and get some media students to help out which would be a good experience for them.  O0

Simon you are a star  :-* 

Muggins and I will get our heads together soon and look at a possible date ;-)
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Re: 'Not Interested' Is that the Theme of this Election?
« Reply #19 on: April 20, 2011, 08:08:24 PM »
Its a good idea, but there could be up to 21 candidates 3 major parties, green, UKIP, and   X number of independents and any other political group.
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« Reply #20 on: April 20, 2011, 08:13:45 PM »
Its a good idea, but there could be up to 21 candidates 3 major parties, green, UKIP, and   X number of independents and any other political group.

Well that will make it all the more interesting  O0

Thanks Ringer  :coolsmiley: , we are already prepared for anything given the possible changes to the ward structure etc by then  :D

Hence why we need the time to plan it properly  >:D
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Re: 'Not Interested' Is that the Theme of this Election?
« Reply #21 on: May 07, 2011, 04:17:25 AM »
I'd have thought with the Wi-Fiasko that interest in Highworth would be high..
and it seems Highworth had the highest turnout.
The winner?
Alan Bishop  Conservative  1662 Majority = 711 ( - 85 since Melanie Duff won seat in 2007)

DC and the Wi-Fiasko is due to Bluh and co.. you would have thought it would have turned some people against the cons. and brought out some protest voters?

So all the stuff on DC, Hunt and Bluh that TS has unearthed stands for nawght?
Has the Wi-Fi been a success in Highworth?

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Re: 'Not Interested' Is that the Theme of this Election?
« Reply #22 on: May 07, 2011, 08:40:52 AM »
Politically charged forums tend to give a distorted view of the wider reality...

...Similarly, of the people I've spoken to, virtually none of them have any interest whatsoever in the AV referendum and largely haven't considered it worth even appraising themselves of the options.

From the Adver:

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Despite a nationwide push encouraging residents to have their say in the Alternative Voting referendum, only 39.2 per cent of the electorate actually showed up at a polling station.

Slightly less than the overall national average.

And then:

The turnout at the May elections is likely to be low and, I agree with Richard, it's because the majority of people simply don't care. They have far more pressing concerns in many cases.

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The highest turn-out for the local elections was in Highworth ward where 46.08 per cent of the electorate voted.

The lowest was in Parks, where the figure was just 29.62 per cent.

So, the lady who won in the Parks achieved around 60% of the votes of far less than a third of the people who live there. In other words, she's only directly achieved the mandate of about 16% of the electorate.

Yep, apathy ruled in Swindon. I suspect this benefited Labour, as my guess would be that many Tory voters felt no burning desire to get out and vote while Labour party types seem very angry about just about everything at the moment.
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« Reply #23 on: May 07, 2011, 08:47:50 AM »
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Alan Bishop  Conservative  1662 Majority


Highworth resident, past Mayor of Highworth, very well known and respected.  He is also a mature citizen which is a euphenism for saying he is older than the usual candidates (I do know Alan and can get awy with saying such things, it's Mrs B who worries me)


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« Reply #24 on: May 07, 2011, 08:50:01 AM »
I'd have thought with the Wi-Fiasko that interest in Highworth would be high...

So all the stuff on DC, Hunt and Bluh that TS has unearthed stands for nawght?

Karsten, it's not the popular view here, but I just don't think the wider electorate really cares. People are used to politicians squandering billions, so £400k on a loan that may, or may not, have been legal just doesn't really bother the average man in the street, especially if the Council were viewed as having been trying to do something useful.

I honestly believe that the average man in the street just thinks, 'Cool, free wifi everywhere. Yeah, be good if it happens' and goes about their business. Many never really consider these things much further than the headlines. And, let's face it, who really is surprised or gets bitter when a Council-proposed scheme doesn't then actually work?

I'm well aware that some people here are keenly interested, and have indeed unearthed highly interesting information and published huge amounts of key comment on the subject. It's all been very freely available and widely highlighted, both here and, increasingly, on the Adver comments sections. It may well be viewed as surprising, but I guess it just doesn't figure too highly in the public's list of issues.

Indeed, in the bizarre world of politics, it might even be the case that the opposite effect to the one clearly desired may have been achieved. The result in Shaw & Nine Elms indicates that the popularity of those responsible has not been affected by the fiasco.
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