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Trading Estate In Low Pecking Order
« on: March 29, 2011, 12:58:21 PM »
Why has the Bramble Road end of Techno Trading Estate been blocked off.

Bramble Road has less traffic than it did in the 70s, as Elgin Drive is no longer a through route.

Michael Wills recommended an experimental parliamentary order to close the road to juggernauts, after residents made a (very questionable) claim that 30 lorries per hour used the road.

I doubt 30 lorries per day pass my workplace.

The leader of the campaign ( Jenny someone?) used to work for Kennet & Avon Council?
Does she work for SBC now?

Why was the road not just closed for lorries?
A guy next door got pulled by an unmarked police car for riding through on a motorbike.

The experimental order was meant to be tested at 3 locations, but the barricades were cemented into the road, within the testing time, without trying alternative locations.

Now everyone drives an extra mile to work. Ambulances can't get through. The estate gets blocked, if a lorry has to turn around etc.

Looks like a naughty done deal to me



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Re: Trading Estate In Low Pecking Order
« Reply #1 on: March 29, 2011, 09:49:48 PM »
I suspect it is also to force drivers to use Cirencester Way as the route into and around the estate. I see no reason why cars coming from Stratton should not be able to use this route, a bit of nimbyism if you ask me.

As for the cut through for cycles, once upon a time these were also for low powered moped and motorcycles

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« Reply #2 on: March 29, 2011, 11:21:41 PM »
Ah. I found it.
Leader of the road closure campaign, Jennifer Millin, Moredon Ward (Labour).
Happens to live in Bramble Road.

The road was much busier in the 70s. (when Elgin Drive was the main thoroughfare)

The building that I work in existed during WW2, but close the road, in detriment to an established trading estate, with a farcical consultation, because a councillor lives there?

I suspect her property has increased in value by converting the access into a cul de sac.

Hardly inspires confidence in local democracy does it?
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« Reply #3 on: March 30, 2011, 06:36:36 AM »
Jenny Million was involved in this campaign long before she was a member of the Labour Party and the campaign was won before she joined the Labour Party.
It is very likely that her disenchantment with how officialdom responds to the concerns of ordinary people persuaded her to become involved.
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« Reply #4 on: March 30, 2011, 07:28:11 AM »
Hmmmm?
If she joined the local authority purely as a martyr for the public that would be very admirable.
I leave that as an option of belief.
Was she not previously a member of Kennet & Avon Council?
I'm still not convinced why the road has been closed.
The alternative locations were not tested.
The barriers were cemented into the road before the trial time had passed.
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« Reply #5 on: March 30, 2011, 07:38:16 AM »
Give it a rest; she was previously an employee of another Council.
We all make erroneous assumptions sometimes, knowing when to stop digging is the thing. The rules were applied on this issue.

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« Reply #6 on: March 30, 2011, 08:15:00 AM »
Give it a rest; she was previously an employee of another Council.
We all make erroneous assumptions sometimes, knowing when to stop digging is the thing. The rules were applied on this issue.

I get the erroneous assumptions bit, she can't work for SBC and be a Councillor, however the substantive point remains, if this was an experimental scheme why was it made substantive before the experiment was completed. Did this occur after she had been elected, which was last November, that appears the pertinent point.

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« Reply #7 on: March 30, 2011, 09:37:43 AM »
There's really no "story" here.
Whilst Ms Millen may have been part of a residents campaign group, the work which resulted in permanent closure was undertaken by officers, cabinet members and diligent ward councillors, particularly John and Ray Ballman, who tend to work extremely hard without fuss and fanfare. I can take no credit myself as it was before my time, and was resolved long before Ms Millen was elected. However I expect my predecessor, Maurice Fanning was also involved. It was a long running issue which at all times followed due process.
Whilst the final decision may not have suited everyone (name one decision that does) it should be noted that the residents of this area, many of whom are elderly, have had their lives blighted by creeping industrialisation and increased volumes of traffic. This decision has helped a little towards redressing the balance and improving people's quality of life. Anyone who has spent any amount of time there as I have will surely see what I mean.
We all love a good conspiracy, However, in this case the truth is somewhat more mundane. Hope this helps.
Rochelle Russell, Councillor, Gorse Hill and Pinehurst.

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« Reply #8 on: March 30, 2011, 09:49:35 AM »
There's really no "story" here.
Whilst Ms Millen may have been part of a residents campaign group, the work which resulted in permanent closure was undertaken by officers, cabinet members and diligent ward councillors, particularly John and Ray Ballman, who tend to work extremely hard without fuss and fanfare. I can take no credit myself as it was before my time, and was resolved long before Ms Millen was elected. However I expect my predecessor, Maurice Fanning was also involved. It was a long running issue which at all times followed due process.
Whilst the final decision may not have suited everyone (name one decision that does) it should be noted that the residents of this area, many of whom are elderly, have had their lives blighted by creeping industrialisation and increased volumes of traffic. This decision has helped a little towards redressing the balance and improving people's quality of life. Anyone who has spent any amount of time there as I have will surely see what I mean.
We all love a good conspiracy, However, in this case the truth is somewhat more mundane. Hope this helps.
Rochelle Russell, Councillor, Gorse Hill and Pinehurst.

Thank you for your partial explanation however you say the issue was resolved long before Councillor Millens election, but do not address the two points, 1. Why was it made substantive before  the agreed 'experiment had finished, 2. Was Councillor Millen in office when the work was done.

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« Reply #9 on: March 30, 2011, 09:56:40 AM »
Crikey! I'm agreeing with Bob.
The other two options were not tried and the cement went in before the trial period was up.

The residential aspect of the area was improved when the Gypsy Lane /    Elgin Drive junction was closed. The area saw much more traffic then.

What next? Close the metal recycling business that these houses back onto?
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« Reply #10 on: March 30, 2011, 10:12:36 AM »
Crikey! I'm agreeing with Bob.
The other two options were not tried and the cement went in before the trial period was up.

The residential aspect of the area was improved when the Gypsy Lane /    Elgin Drive junction was closed. The area saw much more traffic then.

What next? Close the metal recycling business that these houses back onto?

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« Reply #11 on: March 30, 2011, 10:22:34 AM »
I can answer your second point, no she was not.
Your first point however, I would need to research as I do not have that information to hand.

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« Reply #12 on: March 30, 2011, 10:26:21 AM »
Surely Bramble Road was closed of years ago, why is this being reviewed?

 
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« Reply #13 on: March 30, 2011, 12:43:17 PM »
Recently, a motorcylist was pulled up by an unmarked police car for filtering through.
Considering that the blockade was originally to stop HGVs, it raises the questions again.

Why has an access to an established trading estate been blocked to all traffic?

Why was the experimental order not completed? (different locations)

Why was the experimental order not completed? (barriers set in concrete before timescale had expired)

Why am I not surprised that this woman suddenly became a councillor?
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« Reply #14 on: March 30, 2011, 01:41:10 PM »
Not letting the facts get in the way of a good rant then.

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« Reply #15 on: March 30, 2011, 01:48:59 PM »
Maybe people should look towards that friend of motorists - Peter Greenhalgh. It was his decision to make it permament.

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« Reply #16 on: March 30, 2011, 02:19:03 PM »
Here's the reasons for his decision.

edited as link doesn't work.

copy this in to your browser

http://ww5.swindon.gov.uk/moderngov/mgConvert2PDF.aspx?ID=30657&J=1

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Re: Trading Estate In Low Pecking Order
« Reply #17 on: March 30, 2011, 03:11:37 PM »
Here's the reasons for his decision.

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Can't open the link.  :(
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« Reply #18 on: March 30, 2011, 03:13:10 PM »
Not letting the facts get in the way of a good rant then.

Ranting, or just raising questions?
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Re: Trading Estate In Low Pecking Order
« Reply #19 on: March 30, 2011, 04:57:17 PM »

Link works for me, although the cabinet member decision note it opens deals primarily with the consideration of support/objections for/to the experimental/permanent closure, and not how the closure was ultimately done.

The date of the decision note is April 2010, (by which time the efforts to get the closure had presumably going on for quite a while?), and Jenny Millin became the Cllr for Moredon in November 2010, some 7 months later.


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« Reply #20 on: March 30, 2011, 05:04:22 PM »
The impression I got from the decision note was that it was down to money, as the closure in it's current location can be met within the current budget but not any other experiments.

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« Reply #21 on: April 04, 2011, 07:58:53 PM »
Well it appears that there were certainly objections.

http://ww5.swindon.gov.uk/moderngov/mgConvert2PDF.aspx?ID=30657&J=1

People can make their own decisions, as to wether they were considered or just given lip service

The impression I got from the decision note was that it was down to money, as the closure in it's current location can be met within the current budget but not any other experiments.


That could well be the case.
Although it still doesn't explain why the railings were cemented into the road, long before the "consultation" period expired.

It also offers no sensible explanation, why the road is now a cul-de-sac, banning all traffic, including motorcycles and ambulances, not just lorries.

It makes this woman's move into a councillor position (all be it after the event) appear a little convenient.
My old manager often used to say "no such thing as coincidence"
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« Reply #22 on: May 28, 2011, 01:03:09 PM »
Now Jennifer Millin has rocketed from a "mere civilian", that managed to close an established route between established trading estates, to become a member of the planning committee.

Let's hope she is as concerned about issues such as controversial development at Coate as she is about the road outside her house
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« Reply #23 on: May 28, 2011, 02:42:46 PM »
havent they also, now closed the road from the back of the estate, at the junction where it meets with Bramble road. Coopers used to use this road as a way into the back of their set up but now just use the front entrance, which of  course blocks the road when they come out or in..

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« Reply #24 on: May 28, 2011, 03:23:02 PM »
Yes. That was the part of the road I was referring to.
That's why I  am extremely curious to see the comparison of concern when it comes to a decision at Coate / Day House Lane.
After all, there is no established trading estate there (yet!) and the 30 lorry claim might not be an exaggeration.
Originally, the Bramble Road closure was meant to be an experiment, not a permanent diversion for all traffic.

Techno Trading Estate also gets blocked at the far end, when DHL or the tyre dealers have to reverse their lorries. This wouldn't be a problem if the lighter traffic could enter at the other end, like they had done for decades before Mrs Millin arrived
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« Reply #25 on: May 28, 2011, 07:27:13 PM »
Where's Low Pecking Order?

Is it in Suffolk?
Sometimes I think you have to march right in and demand your rights, even if you don’t know what your rights are, or who the person is you’re talking to. Then, on the way out, slam the door.

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« Reply #26 on: May 29, 2011, 01:46:18 AM »
It's more of an action than a place  :)
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