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Re: North Swindon Expands Westwards and North Towards Chapel Farm.
« Reply #100 on: June 09, 2012, 03:21:09 PM »
"Isn't that Cllr Edwards in the photo titled "Fighting inappropriate development"?2

It's the 'inappropriate' that is the key word here, when whatever goes through, they will merely say that it was 'appropriate'.
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Re: North Swindon Expands Westwards and North Towards Chapel Farm.
« Reply #101 on: June 09, 2012, 04:26:41 PM »
http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/9752186.Residents_are_urged_to_have_say_on_Tadpole_Farm

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Boudicca and two charioteers seen in vicinity of North on young frog lane. Yet the Northern Sea dwellers were not fooled. For years they had seen Boudicca's alliance with the Crested Newts and her betrayal of the Northern Sea dwellers. They knew they could not trust Boudicca in the defence of their homeland against the Newts and so made their own plans instead.  :fence:



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Not sure I understand your Dylan Thomas type prose, but I did visit the pub in North Swindon at lunch time today and the car park. It was an ideal spot for a bit of politico spotting.  :wink:
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Re: North Swindon Expands Westwards and North Towards Chapel Farm.
« Reply #102 on: June 09, 2012, 05:05:01 PM »
Someone putting leaflets out, but I was disappointed not one Libdem leaflet, don't the Libdems care?

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Re: North Swindon Expands Westwards and North Towards Chapel Farm.
« Reply #103 on: June 09, 2012, 06:23:25 PM »
How the Tories have ignored the evidence base for the future direction of growth for Swindon.

The aims of the Swindon Joint Study 2026, were:

• to establish a long-term, achievable vision to 2026 for the Swindon
Joint Study Area encompassing not only land use planning issues but
also those of health, education, culture and sport.
• to consider how future development in the Swindon Joint Study Area to
2026 can help to achieve the aims and objectives identified for the
area.
• to produce a succinct report/recommendations readily able to be
included in the Regional Spatial Strategy and also in a form which can
be used effectively in the production of Local Development
Frameworks and other planning documents within the boundary of
Swindon Joint Study Area.

Three strategic locations for growth were tested within the Swindon
Joint Study: east of Swindon, north west of Swindon and south west of
Swindon.

The consultation on the Joint Study attracted a significant number of
responses in relation to locations for future growth. Whilst expressing
concern about growth, the public have shown a general preference in the
consultation for development to the east of Swindon, although other
stakeholders did not come to a consensus on this.

Conclusions of the Joint Study were as follows:

The results of the Swindon Joint Study indicate that the area to the east of
Swindon is identified as the generally the most sustainable direction of
growth
for all three growth scenarios. Although the East is constrained by the
A419 / A420, there are more options in this direction to overcome this
challenge than is the case for the challenges facing the North West or South
West. It is also physically closer to several centres of employment than
either of the other sites. It is a large area with no critical landscape features
and few biodiversity constraints.

The results of the Swindon Joint Study indicate that the area to the North
West of Swindon is identified as generally the least sustainable direction for
growth
for all three growth scenarios. The North West is the most remote site
from the key centres of employment and is also remote from major existing
highway infrastructure to which it would require a connection. The area also
has several high quality habitats and is fragmented in landscape terms. In the
North West development would have a major impact on a largely unchanged
historic landscape.

The results of the Swindon Joint Study indicate that the area to the South
West of Swindon in sustainability terms fall between the above two options
.
In landscape terms it is developable in two parts with very few biodiversity
constraints and, in terms of flood risk, has the highest potential for growth.

But look what is happening instead. The graphs attached compare the housing split between the growth directions for Swindon going forward under the old Regional Spatial Strategy (which the Joint Study informed), the Tories Draft Core Strategy (still to be adopted), and also the third scenario which is the Draft Core Strategy plus Ridgeway Farm and Pry Farm (if they go ahead).

Instead of the East being the future direction of growth for Swindon - which was the conclusion of the Joint Study - the direction of growth is actually being steered in the less sustainable directions to the Northwest and South of Swindon. The exact opposite of what the evidence base in the Joint Study said should happen. :wakeup:
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« Reply #104 on: June 09, 2012, 07:04:40 PM »
The only leaflet I have seen is one being put out by Labour - have not seen hide nor hair of the much publicised Tory one, obviously not delivering my part of North Swindon.

Headline on Labour one is "Residents' fears confirmed - developer free-for-all at Tadpole Farm".

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« Reply #105 on: June 09, 2012, 07:14:14 PM »
As the Chair of Planning is our Vera in order when she publicly states she is against the development?
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« Reply #106 on: June 09, 2012, 07:25:36 PM »
Labour leaflet just dropped through my door.

"Resident's fears confirmed - developer free-for-all at Tadpole Farm"

Labour calling for Tadpole Farm planning application to be deferred until some of the infrastructure issues are resolved on the traffic issues, primary school to be built in Phase 1 rather than in Phase 2 (after 2020) - sensible considering woeful current shortage - and improvements to Oakhurst Way which is going to take 45% of traffic fom development but in current application is only going to receive £60k. I like the fact it mentions the Council is spending £600k on a small road on the site of the new Croft School (from the s106 money from the NDA) but Oakhurst Way is only getting £60k for a much larger development. I've mentioned this before but it does seem the NDA is funding the pet-projects (schools, roads) for certain politicians elsewhere in Swindon which is grossly unfair and should be investigated in my view.

I have to say this is a breath of fresh air from Labour. Normally in the North you only get a leaflet at election time from Labour. Hope this is a sign of better engagement from them with the North Swindon community going forward. The Tories have taken North swindon for granted too long and need a kick up the backside.
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Re: North Swindon Expands Westwards and North Towards Chapel Farm.
« Reply #107 on: June 09, 2012, 07:35:31 PM »
@Bobby Bingo

"As the Chair of Planning is our Vera in order when she publicly states she is against the development?"

According to the agenda I received for next Tuesday Vera is no longer on the planning committee.
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« Reply #108 on: June 09, 2012, 07:51:43 PM »
@Steve Wakefield

"Not sure I understand your Dylan Thomas type prose, but I did visit the pub in North Swindon at lunch time today and the car park. It was an ideal spot for a bit of politico spotting."

My ditty was a follow up to "Smiler". There are only 2 pubs in North Swindon (Tawny Owl and Blunsdon Arms) because Crest failed to deliver the promised one in Redhouse  :( (boom boom). Do you mean the Blunsdon Arms?
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Re: North Swindon Expands Westwards and North Towards Chapel Farm.
« Reply #109 on: June 09, 2012, 08:04:55 PM »
Candide7

I was with Cllr Moffatt in the car park of the one opposite Orbital.  O0
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« Reply #110 on: June 09, 2012, 08:12:58 PM »
Just sent a question to Gavin Jones about this lot and have got a reply back saying he is out of office until 10th April, some wait that eh!!!!!!!!!!! :wink:

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« Reply #111 on: June 09, 2012, 08:31:27 PM »
Just in case you haven't seen it, here's the link to download SBC's 2008 Swindon Small-scale Urban Extension Study that looked at every bit of greenfield land surrounding Swindon:

http://www.swindon.gov.uk/ep/ep-planning/ep-planning-localdev/Documents/final_document_-_report_v2_web_version%5B1%5D.pdf

This is what it says in summary about Tadpole Farm (Cell G)

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Tadpole Farm emerged as the most sustainable location in the study area to accommodate development and should therefore be the priority site. Tadpole Farm could deliver 1,500 dwellings. There are few environmental constraints at this location and the topography of the ground is flat and low-lying so development here would read as a logical extension to the urban area. The site would also provide good access to new services and facilities at the Northern Development Area and would have minimal impact upon coalescence with any surrounding settlements. Mitigation would still be required to address landscape impacts to the north, transport implications and education shortfall as well as an archaeological survey. There may also be a need to deliver an appropriate level of mixed-use retail development to address the day-to-day local needs of residents.


You will find more in this document

http://www.swindon.gov.uk/ep/ep-planning/ep-planning-localdev/Documents/final_document_-_appendices_v2%5B1%5D.pdf

As I said before, the area has been targetted by SBC for 6 years. I'm not saying that it's right but this document played an important role in the Coate appeal inquiry - the planning inspector used it as evidence that Coate was a sustainable place to develop.
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Re: North Swindon Expands Westwards and North Towards Chapel Farm.
« Reply #112 on: June 09, 2012, 09:04:06 PM »
The bit about flat land in Jean's post is very important, it's far cheaper (so in developer speak it is more sustainable) to build houses and infrastructure where land is fairly flat. 

This is why developers want to build at Tadpole Lane and Ridgeway Farm, same reason why they wanted to build at Coate.  Basically they're picking off the easy sites (in between A419 and M4), once they've been built on they'll move elsewhere. Which is why I think they'll want to build between Wroughton and Swindon in the not too distant future.


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« Reply #113 on: June 09, 2012, 10:28:57 PM »
There is a lot of flat land, surplus school places, employment, better road infrastructure in East Swindon. Why hasn't development started there like the Swindon Wilts Joint Study said should happen years ago?
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« Reply #114 on: June 09, 2012, 10:34:07 PM »
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My ditty was a follow up to "Smiler". There are only 2 pubs in North Swindon (Tawny Owl and Blunsdon Arms) because Crest failed to deliver the promised one in Redhouse   (boom boom). Do you mean the Blunsdon Arms?

No message-in-bottles through my porthole today from Boudicca and her crew.  But did I miss the Battle of the Blunsdon Arms?  What happened in the car park?  Was it an Offa's Dyke moment or one like the battle of Londinium?



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Re: North Swindon Expands Westwards and North Towards Chapel Farm.
« Reply #115 on: June 09, 2012, 10:50:51 PM »
There is a lot of flat land, surplus school places, employment, better road infrastructure in East Swindon. Why hasn't development started there like the Swindon Wilts Joint Study said should happen years ago?

You don't work for David Wilson Homes, do you? They have been promoting development in East Swindon for donkeys years now. Ask them why the development hasn't started.
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« Reply #116 on: June 09, 2012, 11:19:14 PM »
@Jean
"You don't work for David Wilson Homes, do you? They have been promoting development in East Swindon for donkeys years now. Ask them why the development hasn't started."

No Jean just an ordinary citizen by day but the Oakhurst Avenger by night! My mission is to protect the citizens of gotham from the corrupting influences of power in city hall. My latest crusade is to uncover the reasons why this council is promoting development in the northwest and south of Swindon but is doing everything to stop development in the East. The evidence base has always identified the East as the most sustainable direction of growth for Swindon yet no development has occurred there. Don't you find that odd?
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« Reply #117 on: June 10, 2012, 04:50:30 AM »
I have just read the 9/6/2012 Adver article from Cllr Heaton-Jones and Cllr Tomlnson regarding Tadpole Farm.

http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/9752186.Residents_are_urged_to_have_say_on_Tadpole_Farm_homes/

It reeks of hypocrisy.

“Coun Heaton-Jones said: “It’s important people turn up because it’s important that the planning committee understand the strength of feeling in the local community.

The planning committee have in front of them an application from the developers and the report from the planning officer, which is the information on which they will base their decision.

But what they don’t have in front of them at this meeting is anything that indicates the strength of feeling amongst the local community.”


Coun Heaton-Jones said the main concerns were that extra traffic from the site would cause congestion on local roads, and there would not be adequate additional infrastructure and facilities provided.”

Could this be the same Cllr Heaton-Jones who, as our MPs’ assistant, has attended  meetings with Croft residents since early 2011 and heard their concerns over the process, our treatment and the quality of evidence put forward by the LA?

Could this be the same Cllr Heaton-Jones who as a member of the Scrutiny Committee sat and listened to Croft Residents questions and concerns and did nothing? 
 
Cllr Tomlinson , Cllr Heaton-Jones  colleague  on the Scrutiny Committee, also heard the same concerns and questions from Croft Residents and did nothing. 

Could this be the same Cllr Tomlinson who as Vice Chair of the Planning Committee seconded the Croft School application without having asked a single question as she stated that she was satisfied?

The Croft planning committee had everything in front of them, they knew the strength of feeling in the local community and yet they chose to ignore everything other than what the Officers told them to think.  The Officers who stated that the Croft must happen are the same Officers who are currently withholding the evidence of need that residents questioned in the 1st place .They won’t even tell our MP!

The blight that is the Croft can be laid squarely at the door of the November 29th 2011 Planning Committee who had it in their power to demonstrate that Democracy existed in Swindon.  They could have done their duty and held Officers to account.  They failed.

If the Planning Committee had fulfilled their obligations they would at minimum have asked for a deferment until Officers fulfilled their responsibilities. That they did not is a blot on their respective records.

From what I have read the Tadpole Farm application planning report is a shabby and shoddy piece of work.   Perhaps the Planning Committee hearing the Tadpole Farm application may put a bit more effort into scrutinising what the Officers put before them. 

No wonder these Councillors are so concerned about the Tadpole Farm planning application.

Because they know how the system works in Swindon. 

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« Reply #118 on: June 10, 2012, 05:01:39 AM »
@Jean
"Just in case you haven't seen it, here's the link to download SBC's 2008 Swindon Small-scale Urban Extension Study that looked at every bit of greenfield land surrounding Swindon:"

Ah but it didn't cover every greenfield site surrounding Swindon. You will find that the area of search starts in North Swindon and then sweeps in an anti-clockwise fashion through west swindon ending in south swindon and commonhead. Notice anything odd...for such an exhaustive search one area is conspicuously missing...   :wink:
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« Reply #119 on: June 10, 2012, 07:23:05 AM »
@Jean
"Just in case you haven't seen it, here's the link to download SBC's 2008 Swindon Small-scale Urban Extension Study that looked at every bit of greenfield land surrounding Swindon:"

Ah but it didn't cover every greenfield site surrounding Swindon. You will find that the area of search starts in North Swindon and then sweeps in an anti-clockwise fashion through west swindon ending in south swindon and commonhead. Notice anything odd...for such an exhaustive search one area is conspicuously missing...   :wink:

The proposed Eastern Development Area is not a small-scale urban extension - it is essentially the basis of creating another town. At the time of the study, the EDA was proposed to accommodate 12,000 new homes. This figure was subsequently reduced in the 2011 draft Core Strategy to 7,500 homes. I have no idea why the site has not come forward yet but I doubt that SBC (for a change) is to blame. 
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