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Time For An Islamic School In West Swindon?
« on: June 22, 2010, 01:54:22 PM »
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On the 18th of June 2010 education Secretary Michael Gove announced that planning laws would be 'torn up' so hundreds of parents can set up  their own schools in shops and  houses......

In February 2009, the Al Habib Islamic Centre's bid to run Oakhurst Primary School in North Swindon was rejected by the Schools adjudicator which said there was more support for a community school in Oakhurst than an Islamic one.  Oakhurst is now run by Swindon Borough Council.

Coun Garry Perkins, then Swindon Council’s cabinet member for children's  services, said:

“It is good that the adjudicator made the decision based  on the strength of the council’s bid.  The school is needed in Oakhurst for Oakhurst children."

Justin Tomlinson MP, (then a Conservative  Councillor for Abbey Meads and now the MP for North Swindon), said

“I am  exceptionally pleased with the outcome.  Working with local residents, we flooded the school adjudicator with  feedback, which was also expressed at a public meeting"

I well remember the other quietly expressed political mutterings about the Al Habib Islamic Education and Culture Centre's bid to run an Islamic school in the Borough - and I'm not going to publish them, suffice to say that they weren't as nice, inclusive & politically correct as you might expect after reading the Councils own policies on equal opportunities, racism and religious tolerance.

Lucky then, that Michael Gove's recent announcements of 'Free Schools', may well encourage Shahid Sahu, chairman of the Al Habib Islamic Education and Culture  Centre, to submit another bid for a school for Muslim children  in the near future.

Perhaps Shahid may wish to trot along to Worsley Road in West Swindon and have a look over the fence at the long-empty Millbrook Windmill School and then pick up the phone to Robert Buckland or Michael Gove.....



Millbrook Windmill School, still empty and looking like an ideal candidate to me :)





Administrator Comment Edit 4th August 2010: I learned yesterday, (after reading the Swindonlink), that I had mistakenly referred to the abandoned Windmill School as 'Millbrook'. The edit is shown in red (struckthrough) and the blog picture is similarly updated.
« Last Edit: August 04, 2010, 06:05:06 AM by Geoff Reid »



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Re: Time For An Islamic School In West Swindon?
« Reply #1 on: June 22, 2010, 05:06:37 PM »
I'm still waiting for a response from Mr Buckland on a separate question I asked about the academy school proposals (related to special educational needs pupils).

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Re: Time For An Islamic School In West Swindon?
« Reply #2 on: June 22, 2010, 06:47:06 PM »
I thought the old Gorse Hill Mens Club in Chapel Street, was bought , to be turned into a centre of muslim learning ?.
you certainly wont get a pint there now !!.

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Re: Time For An Islamic School In West Swindon?
« Reply #3 on: June 22, 2010, 08:36:20 PM »
Or any pork scratchings!
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Re: Time For An Islamic School In West Swindon?
« Reply #4 on: June 23, 2010, 09:33:54 PM »
I was waiting to go around the roundabout by the Sikh temple, a group of what I assumed to be Sikh's were waiting to cross, a lovely sounding bike came 'blatting' down the hill at an impressive rate of knots.

It then occured to me that in the third world, where Sikhs and Muslims originate from, relatively recently, the moped or small capacity motorcycle is the vehicle of choice and necessity.

Why I wondered do 'they' not graduate to a big old beast when the opportunity presents itself. Then I wondered why many 1st, 2nd or 3rd generation immigrants do not appear to do motorcycling? Pretty pointless stuff I agree, but an anomaly nonetheless. I then mulled over the types of names they could call their gangs if they did do bikes.

Then the bloke behind told me to get an effin move on.

So I did.
Sometimes I think you have to march right in and demand your rights, even if you don’t know what your rights are, or who the person is you’re talking to. Then, on the way out, slam the door.

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Re: Time For An Islamic School In West Swindon?
« Reply #5 on: June 23, 2010, 09:56:15 PM »
would it be that a crash helmet will not go over a turban?
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Re: Time For An Islamic School In West Swindon?
« Reply #6 on: June 23, 2010, 10:18:39 PM »
I was going to lob that in but thought it a bit superficial, and it only takes care of a small minority in a minority.

Doesn't cover Africans, Chinese or any of the non turban wearing groups. Or the carp eating buggers from the old Soviet bloc (East Europeans according to the Liberal types) who, incidentally, had also scoffed all the sauerkraut in Tescos, bleddy foreigners eating British sauerkraut made for British people. Bleddy immigration is out of control, or is that sorted now? So difficult to kepe up.

I'm getting genuinely curious now, but do understand it is largely pointless, just one of dem fings. I expect it to figure largely in right wing publications henceforth, and to see free motorcycle lessons in left wing run authorities by way of balanced response.

And, another thing.

Like, why does it cost me so much to cut Government waste?
Sometimes I think you have to march right in and demand your rights, even if you don’t know what your rights are, or who the person is you’re talking to. Then, on the way out, slam the door.

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Re: Time For An Islamic School In West Swindon? - govt waste remark
« Reply #7 on: June 24, 2010, 08:51:32 AM »
Like, why does it cost me so much to cut Government waste?


In modern parlance...

I'm liking this brilliant question Mart...it's a dining out on, a stand up comedian one liner..well blow me it mite even feature in a poem one day !!

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and good morning

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Re: Time For An Islamic School In West Swindon?
« Reply #8 on: June 25, 2010, 06:40:00 PM »
The other version is 'I'm saving so much money it's costing me a fortune'.
Sometimes I think you have to march right in and demand your rights, even if you don’t know what your rights are, or who the person is you’re talking to. Then, on the way out, slam the door.

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Re: Time For An Islamic School In West Swindon?
« Reply #9 on: June 26, 2010, 09:32:29 AM »
Mr Muggins and I can empathise with that!   :clap:
Oi! Listen mush. Old eyes, remember? I’ve been around the block a few times. More than a few. They’ve knocked down the blocks I’ve been around and rebuilt them as bigger blocks. Super blocks. And I’ve been round them as well.  The Doctor (Night Terrors)

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Re: On swindonlink.com Now
« Reply #10 on: August 02, 2010, 06:41:06 PM »
Talkswindon disses Millbrook Primary School. See how at www.swindonlink.com

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Re: Re: On swindonlink.com Now
« Reply #11 on: August 03, 2010, 04:11:35 PM »
No Roger, 'Talkswindon' did not 'diss' the Millbrook Primary School.  If the school was wrongly named on this site in a post I wrote, the mistake mine, and mine alone.  For the benefit of members it appears that I wrongly called 'Windmill Hill' school 'Millbrook'. 

I remember posting a picture of the school when I also blogged it here



Right picture, right school.....wrong name, a mistake the local councillor should have spotted immediately before commenting.

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I suppose I'd better write to the headmistress and parents of Millbrook School to put them straight.
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Re: Re: On swindonlink.com Now
« Reply #12 on: August 03, 2010, 04:56:32 PM »
Sticking in the knife again? Remind me, I don't recall. I've stayed clear of previous spats between talkswindon and other media. (Unless you're referring to a post under a now retired nom-de-plume that caused you to spend your birthday writing rules).

Millbrook might be one word, but you cannot underestimate the harm/insult this does in the neighbourhood and to those who've worked hard to create a new school, and the confusion caused if anybody were to read the thread and the subsequent commentary. Should I have namechecked you? I concluded - perhaps incorrectly - that using talkswindon as point of reference was better.

But hey ho, URL **Posting Links To This Commercial Website is not pemitted without prior permission ** struck out, blocked, deemed too devious, out of order. But thanks for keeping the space open sans **Posting Links To This Commercial Website is not pemitted without prior permission ** for notices of latest stories for Talkswindon users to find if interested.

BTW - notice of stories can also be obtained via www.facebook.com - 'like' us by searching for Swindon Link (local business page) or www.twitter.com/swindonlink

And, I will let you know when if ever Swindon Link magazine or **Posting Links To This Commercial Website is not pemitted without prior permission ** benefits commercially from exposure at talkswindon.

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Re: Re: On swindonlink.com Now
« Reply #13 on: August 03, 2010, 06:11:58 PM »
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"Millbrook might be one word, but you cannot underestimate the harm/insult this does in the neighbourhood and to those who've worked hard to create a new school, and the confusion caused if anybody were to read the thread and the subsequent commentary."

I wish you'd pointed out my mistake at source.... I worry that publishing your story may promote exactly the type of 'harm and insult' you mention. TS members already know that I happily correct mistakes and apologise unashamedly when appropriate.


Regarding 'namechecking': The forum is obviously a venue so I would have preferred to see references attributed to individual posters instead of to the forum generally. To not do so is akin to blaming the entirety of Swindon Borough Council, officers and clerks included, for the statements made by one councillor.

« Last Edit: August 05, 2010, 05:50:46 AM by Geoff Reid »

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Re: Re: On swindonlink.com Now
« Reply #14 on: August 04, 2010, 01:57:35 AM »
I was totally unaware of this 'issue' until I happened across your exchanges. Which is somewhat ironic, given the conclusions I've drawn as a result.

I have to say Roger, to my otherwise unbiased eye, given that I've had past (usually friendly!) disagreements with both Geoff and Peter, the story in the Link hardly looks unbiased. Please be honest - were you informed about the story by a group of concerned parents? Or was this pretty much otherwise unimportant error leapt upon by you-know-who and blown into something out of all proportion? I note the quote from the Headmistress 'when she learned of the discussion' - Errrr, yeah, when either you or Peter told her, n'est pas? Either way, whatever we might think of the importance and impact of the issue, publishing the story without apparently having given Geoff the right to reply is pretty poor. That's especially true when you must be as aware as any of us that TS is thoroughly loathed and despised by 'certain elements' within the council for asking difficult questions and for voicing opinions which are unreported in the rest of the town's media. That hardly leaves Peter's potential motives for pushing this story unclear, does it? What about editorial balance...?

TS as anyone knows, strives to be a community, one in which opinions can be aired and shared without overt censorship (and more importantly in my view, from partisan interference from local politicians). As a member of this community, your piece, ironically, insulted me personally just as much as the presumed slight to the parents and community in Grangepark and Freshbrook for a mistake over the name of a school Wouldn't it be daft and ironic if I was the write an article for The Adver with the title 'Roger Ogle insults entire community because of expressed opinions of one man'  ;)  ?

As Geoff points out, the elephant in the room though regarding this 'story' is the most obvious action that anyone stumbling across the original thread could have taken if their concern was really sincere: Simply write a three line post explaining that someone's made a mistake over the name! That 'someone' has tried to make political mileage out of it using The Link rather than doing that, makes their motivation rather transparent to me. That 'someone' took such effort and apparent glee at knocking Geoff (and now the forum as a whole) over such a trivial thing, when Geoff and TS contributors have been on the ball over so many other more important issues which were otherwise unreported, makes me all the more interested to see what's the next TS revelation!

'We' as in TalkSwindon are not clones. We are not in the thrall of Geoff. Check through the threads and you'll see he is often subject to criticism or argument from his own most regular contributors. As an example of that fact, I don't think Geoff is beyond a little criticism either - the issue of the mistake over the name aside - I would have preferred to have seen this issue referred over to the forum admins for discussion on what action to take before all of the links to The Link were stripped out (this may have happened, but I would have expected a notification against the story if it had).

Please, I think we need as much media, debate and information sharing in this town as we can get. A little bit of mutual respect (however grudging) serves everybody.
« Last Edit: August 04, 2010, 10:53:12 AM by Tobes »
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« Reply #15 on: August 04, 2010, 02:11:09 AM »
Swindon Link - I Salute You  :azn:

http://bumpkinpie.wordpress.com/2010/08/03/swindon-link-win-coveted-bumpkin-journalist-of-the-year-award-2010/

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Re: Re: On swindonlink.com Now
« Reply #16 on: August 04, 2010, 05:55:36 AM »
 
I don't think Geoff is beyond a little criticism either - the issue of the mistake over the name aside - I would have preferred to have seen this issue referred over to the forum admins for discussion on what action to take before all of the links to The Link were stripped out (this may have happened, but I would have expected a notification against the story if it had).

You're right, I'm not that precious that I won't take or listen to criticism, and normally I would prefer to discuss removing a members ability to post links with the admin team before doing anything, but....

...in this instance I was still peeved by the recent cyber attack on TS and very probably remain over-protective to any perceived attack.   

From here-on in I'll try and make it a worthwhile, informative and entertaining experience for TS members because, obscured by the recent heat and light surrounding this, remain my central points about the possibility of an Islamic School in West Swindon and why Conservative Councillors seem intent on preventing it from happening.

« Last Edit: August 05, 2010, 05:25:46 AM by Geoff Reid »

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Re: Time For An Islamic School In West Swindon?
« Reply #17 on: August 04, 2010, 10:36:47 AM »
There is only one loser here and that sadly is Roger O.  He had access to this site and frequently linked it to his own publication which as we all know is a commercial operation.

As Roger will confirm I have already pointed out to him that this was already on the edge of acceptability and invited him to reproduce the articles to which the link(s) (excuse the pun) were made, in full.

We all make mistakes and get things wrong.  We wouldn't be human if we didn't, but in Geoff Reid I have always found someone who is always prepared to accept that he is not always right and is at the same time scrupulously fair when it comes to other people's postings.  I know he has pulled me up short a few times and was right to do so.

It would be really good to put this behind us by Roger posting and writing in his magazine to offer some form of apology.

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Re: Time For An Islamic School In West Swindon?
« Reply #18 on: August 04, 2010, 06:18:19 PM »
I was totally unaware of this 'issue' until I happened across your exchanges. Which is somewhat ironic, given the conclusions I've drawn as a result.
I have to say Roger, to my otherwise unbiased eye, given that I've had past (usually friendly!) disagreements with both Geoff and Peter, the story in the Link hardly looks unbiased. Please be honest - were you informed about the story by a group of concerned parents?
Please, I think we need as much media, debate and information sharing in this town as we can get. A little bit of mutual respect (however grudging) serves everybody.
Tobes' and Richard's observations are succinctly put and indeed - in response to the appeal for honesty - I made an error of judgement in preparing and running this story. I apologise to Talkswindon and Geoff in particular for not advising him of the incorrect name of the school. Peter Greenhalgh had nothing to do with the article other than offering a comment when asked.

I shall remove the Millbrook story from swindonlink and supply the aerial image if wanted. Geoff, as you would expect, you have the opportunity to write a 'letter to the editor' to clarify what was printed in the magazine (to appear in the September or October edition).

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Re: Time For An Islamic School In West Swindon?
« Reply #19 on: August 04, 2010, 08:17:35 PM »
Roger - I think your response speaks very well of you and The Link.  :clap:

It takes balls to issue an apology (I wish I was big enough to do it more often). Good on you.

I'd like to make a suggestion, if Geoff is in agreement - lets just remove this thread. We all make mistakes - its how we deal with them which marks us out.

Perhaps, in the light of this, it might be good to reconsider/discuss the issue of the url links... ? Geoff? Admins?
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