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Re: The Worst Primeminister, who is yours?
« Reply #20 on: May 06, 2010, 12:17:38 AM »
Steps onto soap box.................

Thatcher definately, shes the one who set UK plc on course to the mess we are in.....

  • Previously nationalised industries, sold off cheap to ' the people', now owned by foriegn investment banks an companies, now riping off consumers left right and centre.
    A generation on the dole never to work , despite the tories always claiming 'they will stop benefit britian' they didn't do it then and won't now
    The death of apprenticeships and the destruction of our skill base
    The change of focus in this country from a caring society to one of i'm alright jack, me me me attitude, arrogance, greed , and bigotry
    the wholesale destruction of our manufacturing industries and the rise of the deluded nightmare that is an economy dominated by the service sector and commerce
    Allowing market forces and internal markets into public services and to rule the lives of so many of us untempered by what is morally or ethically right
    The deregulation of credit, the banks and commerce with the subsequent rise of massive personal debt, polticial deceit, the trading of bad debt, the credit crunch (which is in my opinion, labours biggest failing is that it did not see this as an issue and failed to correct it) and the placing of profit above the person and the national interest.
    The taxing of a nation with no regard for the ability to pay
    The rise of style over substance
    The protection of the incomes of the rich and influential, while denying the poorest and weakest benefits to help them get by

If she didn't start it, she and her tory pay masters engineered it by policies set out during her terms in office

State funeral for her? i don't think so, it would be a travesty if they did, she might of thought she was the Queen, but in the end she was a deluded, derided and despised prime minister, deposed of by her own party in a bid to remain in power, without the most unpopular prime minister of all time draging them under. 

Best put her in the ground for the worms to get at, somewhere with 24 hour security... otherwise it could be the most vandalised grave in the country


in comparison, Major was just a holy than though sexual hypocite who thought that people losing thier homes through 15% interest rates was a good idea.....Twat



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Re: The Worst Primeminister, who is yours?
« Reply #21 on: May 06, 2010, 01:01:20 AM »
Without a shadow of doubt - Margaret Thatcher was the worst Prime Minister in my life-time. 

Which leader might have made the best Prime Minister? Michael Foot.

However as my mum used to say, "It doesn't matter who you vote for, the Government always gets in."


That quote is sooo close to the truth. >:(. colour doesn't matter.
It is the people who stay in power, no matter who people elect, that have the real power.   
You also have the party whips  :bottom: to ensure MP's don't vote with their heart..

That's why Mrs T loved the sitcom Yes! Minister.  and why some people in SBC earn more than Mr Brown.

I want to have true Independent electoral reform.  :argh:   None of the party politicians will ask for that. 

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Re: The Worst Primeminister, who is yours?
« Reply #22 on: May 06, 2010, 07:23:27 AM »
Beautifully put Tea Boy, having watched the mental health of people deteriorate in the pressurised society Thatcher created where people cannot plan for a future,  feel utterly disillusioned and disempowered, where any sense of security has vanished so that they can't be as altruistic as they woudl like to be and communities find it difficult to exist as presenteeism takes over inthe workplace in order for them to retain a job, I agree wholeheartedly.

Research shows that people are actually much happier and less stressed when they are able to give of themselves, their time, even their body parts. I've watched employers who had been nationalised change as they were privatised and sold off, from being  altruistic and genuinely concerned about their emplyees' welfare to denying their staff the time to even give blood, people have to weigh up whether they can afford time off work to look after their children or partners if they have serious illnesses.

 Thatcher has a lot to answer for.

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« Reply #23 on: May 06, 2010, 07:38:16 AM »
Well put Alex,  but whilst we are blaming Thatcher, she couldn't have done it without the agreement of her cabinet and geovernment.  No one seemed to rein her in, so I can only assume that a lot of people where of the same selfish mind.  Sort of makes you feel sick doesn't it. 

Tea boy, the trouble is, even now she's gone from the main stream and will eventually go completely, her legacy lives on in her party no matter what happens to her personal remains.   We should challenge that way as much as we can. 

Don't waste your vote today - aye!

Had a titter at the state funeral, I think people would be grabbing flowers off the car - not thowing them at it, like they did for Diana. If indeed they mad eth effort to turn out. She could be the master of her own poorly attended funeral.
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Re: The Worst Primeminister, who is yours?
« Reply #24 on: May 06, 2010, 08:45:15 AM »
Well put Alex,  but whilst we are blaming Thatcher, she couldn't have done it without the agreement of her cabinet and geovernment.  No one seemed to rein her in, so I can only assume that a lot of people where of the same selfish mind.  Sort of makes you feel sick doesn't it. 

Tea boy, the trouble is, even now she's gone from the main stream and will eventually go completely, her legacy lives on in her party no matter what happens to her personal remains.   We should challenge that way as much as we can. 

Don't waste your vote today - aye!

I have had some difficulty deciding which way to vote, however I had a moment of clarity last night. Hence, I shall go forth this morning, vote, and then rest in the knowledge of what i voted for and why.

Yes, muggins, that people of a certain mind set, who still revered that sad deluded old w*****, are still out there, wanting to be 'in charge' does make me nauseous.

It also makes me very worried, worried for myself in the short term, worried for the generations to come, whose lives will be shaped by a political ideology which she championed and fostered and worried that money (and the love of money) will become the driving factor in our society.
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Re: The Worst Primeminister, who is yours?
« Reply #25 on: May 06, 2010, 08:58:43 AM »
Councillor Wakefield

If those are truly your opinions then bearing in mind you were elected as a Conservative Councillor you should do the decent thing, resign and try to get re- elected as an independant.

Have you got the b***s?

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« Reply #26 on: May 06, 2010, 09:15:59 AM »
Councillor Wakefield

If those are truly your opinions then bearing in mind you were elected as a Conservative Councillor you should do the decent thing, resign and try to get re- elected as an independant.

Have you got the b***s?

Would you want the cost of a by election to our cash strapped council ph1Ic as Councillor Wakefield is up for election next year?
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Re: The Worst Primeminister, who is yours?
« Reply #27 on: May 06, 2010, 09:24:26 AM »
It is a pity that I do not live in Steve's ward because he would get my vote.
He is true a socialist and a man that says it as it is.
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Re: The Worst Primeminister, who is yours?
« Reply #28 on: May 06, 2010, 09:52:23 AM »
Councillor Wakefield

If those are truly your opinions then bearing in mind you were elected as a Conservative Councillor you should do the decent thing, resign and try to get re- elected as an independant.

Have you got the b***s?

Would you want the cost of a by election to our cash strapped council ph1Ic as Councillor Wakefield is up for election next year?


It does seem somewhat of a shame that local councillors need to be tied to a party, what is up with men, and ladies, of good conscience, representing the constituents of their ward, irrespective of political hue.

All indications i have seen, read and heard, from many sources, point to Cllr Wakefield being an active member of the council, a champion of his ward and a proactive campaigner for those things in swindon which he has and continues to promote :angel: (Steve, you can pop the cheque in the post.... ;D)..... more than i can say for certain individuals, of the red or blue variety, who should stop playing favorites or party political games with public money.

Let the people of his ward have thier say in due course. I don't know how much an early election would cost, but the money would be better off spent on issues relating to that ward than on an unnessary election which is not too far in the future.

I wonder how much a council by election costs? £20k,£50k,£70k, thats a lot of dosh to lay out just because someone re-evalutes thier political allegiances. Now if he had done that and was missing council meetings, failing to engage and became uncontactable it might be different......

 
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Re: The Worst Primeminister, who is yours?
« Reply #29 on: May 06, 2010, 10:37:44 AM »
Teaboy, I quite agree a council without party politics can only be good for Swindon.

I live in Toothill, and Cllr Wakefield is an excellent Councillor. If he's got the balls to go for it. I'll gladly help his campaign. It's got to be the best way to get rid of Bluh and his cronies!!

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Re: The Worst Primeminister, who is yours?
« Reply #30 on: May 06, 2010, 08:22:57 PM »
I'm sticking to my guns, the worst Prime Minister is always the last one.

Thatcher is frequently cited as a right malicious old cow, maybe she was, but Major, Blair and Brown have had 20 years between them to eradicate her legacy. Two of them confessed to being directly opposed to her and all that she stood for.

We were promised change, change and more change and reminded that things could only get better.

Slating Thatcher has as much relevance as slagging off Walpole for the lash up at the Battle of Cartagena.

What you are essentially voting for is Big Mac or Whopper though Kentucky has latterly shown a surge of favour.

I'm voting sushi.
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« Reply #31 on: May 06, 2010, 08:28:48 PM »
Where were you in the Thatcher years then Mart. Some things get really deeply ingrained.  Nothing will iradicate that memory.


I can't remember Walpole.......................Have you been at the ketchup again?

Go and vote - you'll feel better for it.  ::)
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« Reply #32 on: May 06, 2010, 08:55:52 PM »
Defending pinko liberals from the Soviet threat for the first 6 years, not quite a REMF as I was attached to an outfit that had a commitment to be in harms way, but as near as makes no difference. so she was kind of a pin-up.

After that I was a feckless singleton finally making my first abortive attempt at a relationship and property ownership in the last 5 years of her reign. She did me no lasting harm that I recognised, there are others since who have made more of an impression.

I did vote at early o'clock, then again at lunchtime and several times this evening.

(Only the first bit is true)

Perhaps my Brown is your Thatcher?
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Re: The Worst Primeminister, who is yours?
« Reply #33 on: May 06, 2010, 09:14:05 PM »
Tea boy, the trouble is, even now she's gone from the main stream and will eventually go completely, her legacy lives on in her party no matter what happens to her personal remains.   We should challenge that way as much as we can. 

Yep, her legacy lives on, not only in her party but in the heads of the electorate too. It's all about me, me, me, and who cares how it affects anyone else. While this continues to be an attitude which is considered acceptable by the general public, we will never achieve a just and equitable society.

I'm not old enough to comment on some of the earlier PMs which Steve has listed, so I'll declare a draw between Thatcher and Blair as the worst PMs I have known, with awards to Major and Brown for worst best supporting actor.
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« Reply #34 on: May 06, 2010, 09:22:29 PM »
Clearly an old list as my nomination is missing, but it is largely a roll of obscurity to me, which kind of supports my burger argument  (wonder if that is where 'honest burghers' come from? Ha ha)

Sir Robert Walpole, 1721-42
Spencer Compton, 1742-43
Henry Pelham Whig, 1743-54
Thomas Pelham-Holles, 1754-56
William Cavendish, 1756-57
William Pitt Whig, 1757-61
Thomas Pelham-Holles, 1761-62
John Stuart, - 1762-63
George Grenville, 1763-65
Charles Watson-Wentworth, 1765-66
William Pit, 1766-68
Augustus Fitzroy, 768-70
Frederick North, 1770-82
Charles Watson-Wentworth, 1782
William Petty FitzMaurice, 1782-83
William Henry Cavendish Bentinck, 1783
William Pitt the Younger, 1783-1801
Henry Addington,
William Pitt the Younger, 1804-06
William Wyndham Grenville, 1806-07
William Henry Cavendish Bentinck, 1807-09
Spencer Perceval, 1809-12
Robert Banks Jenkinson, 1812-27
George Canning, 1827
Frederick John Robinson, 1827-28
Arthur Wellesley (Wellington), 1828-30
Charles Grey, 1830-34
William Lamb, 1834
Robert Peel, 1834-35
William Lamb, 1835-41
Robert Peel, 1841-46
John Russell, 1846-52
Lord Derby, 1852, 1858-59
Viscount Palmerston, 1855-65
Lord Derby, 1866-68
Benjamin Disraeli, 1868
William Gladstone, 1868-74
Benjamin Disraeli, 1874-80
William Gladstone, 1880-85
Lord Salisbury, 1885-86
William Gladstone, 1896
Lord Salisbury, 1886-92
William Gladstone, 1892-94
Archibald Philip Primerose,
Arthur James Balfour, 1902-05
Sir Henry Campbell-Bannerman, 1905-08
Herbert Henry Asquith, 1908-16
David Lloyd George, 1916-22
Andrew Bonar Law, 1922-23
Stanley Baldwin, 1923-24
James Ramsay MacDonald, 1924
Stanley Baldwin, 1924-29
James Ramsay MacDonald, 1929-35
Stanley Baldwin, 1935-37
Neville Chamberlain, 1937-40
Sir Winston Churchill, 1940-45
Clement Atlee, 1945-51
Sir Winston Churchill, 1951-55
Anthony Eden, 1955-57
Harold Macmillan, 1957-63
Alexander Douglas-Home, 1963-64
Harold Wilson, 1964-70
Edward Heath, 1970-74
Harold Wilson, 1974-76
James Callaghan, 1976-79
Margaret Thatcher, 1979-90
John Major, 1990-97
Tony Blair, 1997-


Robert Banks Jenkinson! Who he?
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