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The Worst Primeminister, who is yours?
« on: May 04, 2010, 10:38:15 AM »
I have lived under 10 Primeministers, Tory Eden, took us into Suez, a foriegn policy disaster for Britain and almost ended our relationship with America, fuel rationing, power cuts, short time working followed.

Tory MacMillan (nick name super Mac, and of you've never had it so good speech) commisioned Polaris (Trident forerunner) coined the phrase "Events, mydear boy events" (now where have I heard that?) Did the famous wind of change speech. His governement was rocked by the Profumo case. I remember him as a white haired smiling old man.

Sir Alec Douglas-Home the last Tory Toff I recall as a child that the press, TV and Satire very powerful then (Parody) left the impression on me then that he was weak and out of touch. He only lasted a year.

Harold Wilson, I remember he came in as a saviour he had played hard on the fact that Home was the 14th Earl and out of touch with ordinary folk. Wilson won 4 elections for Labour I recall the 64 (majority of 4) and 66 (majority 96) elections. People believed in him where I lived and when he lost in 1970 it was a shock. I remember election day it was a nice sunny day and rained later we all thought he would win it.

Tory Heath won and this being my formative teens I recall the troubles in Northern Ireland getting darker and deeper,  joining the ECC, which I was against, Thatcher stopping school milk, inflation, cost of living rises almost weekly a prices and incomes policy I think it was called. Fuel shortages and petrol prices rocketting coal miners on strike 3 day week etc.

Then Wilson the pipe smoking Gannex raincoat wearing politician returned to a Hung Parliament in 1974 another election in October 1974 gave him a small majority of 3.  He resigned at  thestart of the  long hot summer of 1976.

Labour Sonny Jim Callaghan he came in and because of the small majority always seemed to be doing deals with minor parties and it was a period of the IMF being called in high inflation and strikes. These at the time were down to a void caused by lack of political leadership in the country.

Tory Thatcher, destructive moniterism policy and allowing banks to reduce the amount of money on deposit and the big bang contributed to the position we are in today, depending on your point of view. Unrest and rioting on the streets and Industrial dog fight to the death along with the Poll Tax, Pension misselling. Does all this outweigh the Falklands? I had no time for Thacher's policies.

Tory John Major inflation and high interest rates Black Wednesday and a man that could eat peas from the back of his fork where is spitting image when you need it!

Labour Tony Blair some sort of messiah two wars and terror spring to mind though Northern Ireland has been at relative peace.

Gordon Brown well here we are what next? Who was worst for me? It is Thatcher. There is a lot to reflect on. That is why I have thought carefully about who I will vote for on Thursday.


 


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Re: The Worst Primeminister, who is yours?
« Reply #1 on: May 04, 2010, 11:20:20 AM »
According to what your politics are, they have all mostly turned out to be numptys of one kind or another.

But Thatcher takes my biscuit for awfulness: I remember her, I remember her well!!

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« Reply #2 on: May 04, 2010, 03:18:38 PM »
David Cameron

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« Reply #3 on: May 04, 2010, 04:36:47 PM »
Definitely Thatcher.
I have the video that I recorded named "The Thatcher Years" and the final scene is when she is leaving 10 Downing street in tears.
When I feel depressed I play this short scene and at the end I punch the air with a loud shout of "YES" and then the rest of day is brilliant.
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« Reply #4 on: May 04, 2010, 06:12:33 PM »
Yes, I remember those tears, by watching us she learned how to cry.  :'(

Goodness knows we had enough practice during her years.  :'( :'( :'( :'(
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« Reply #5 on: May 04, 2010, 06:59:02 PM »
David Cameron

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« Reply #6 on: May 04, 2010, 07:38:39 PM »
I remember the song, things can only get better, well we have years of sleaze and more sleaze, mass immigration on a level not known before, to a state where cities like Leicester is now run by immigrants and the british man is the outsider, where gold was sold at a knock down price, which was worse than Black wednesday and lost us much more, where our defence is now a  level never know before, when Major lost out in '97, unemployment had gone down for the previous 22 months, the economey was on a sound footing, so good that Bliar used the tory plans for the next 3 years, before purdence cocked it up completely and ruined the economy, the pensions of millions, unemployment is now worse than since'94, and he was on a stand at Sunderland the other day, boasting that he had brought 2 million jobs to the north east, he didnt say how many went to british workers and how many went to outsiders,
there are factories now where you have to be a immigrant, just to get a job,
everybody throws bricks at maggie, look at the state of the country when she took over, who was to blame for that, and remember that was brought about because we were almost bankrupt and now we are nearly 3 trillion pounds in debt, nearly as bad if not worse than Greece,
today in the papers you can read how our navy has been sold off wholemeal, over 40 ships gone since '97, two of them were actually given away to Lithuania, two type 22 destroyers were sold to  Romainia for 116 million, but after the government paid for both ships to be refurbished before the sale, all we got was 200,000 pounds some deal that, the replacement ship for Galahad has also been sold off,
Bangladesh even got 5 of the ships for just 8 million, remember this  is the country, when we gave them some helicopters, complained because we never gave them any spares...
The 'lady for Swindon South', couldnt make her mind up if it was wrote on her forehead, I think they are called lobby fodder, with good reason, what about the wishes of the people who voted for her and the town she is meant to represent.
AFinally a questin and answer to end.
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Re: The Worst Primeminister, who is yours?
« Reply #7 on: May 04, 2010, 08:19:33 PM »
Kohima

Talking of Navy Cuts not the smoke but the slashing under Thatcher John Nott remember "here today gone tomorrow" and so was the Royal Navy thanks to him, if the Falklands had happened 3 months later the Royal Navy could not have responded.  Kohima I did not realise that Anne was a primeminister so who is your worst primeminister? Otherwise your last post would probably be better in who would I  vote for and why; clues are not required just an answer. Who is your worst primeminister? :2funny:
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« Reply #8 on: May 04, 2010, 09:05:40 PM »
I have lived under 10 Primeministers, Tory Eden, took us into Suez, a foriegn policy disaster for Britain and almost ended our relationship with America, fuel rationing, power cuts, short time working followed.

Tory MacMillan (nick name super Mac, and of you've never had it so good speech) commisioned Polaris (Trident forerunner) coined the phrase "Events, mydear boy events" (now where have I heard that?) Did the famous wind of change speech. His governement was rocked by the Profumo case. I remember him as a white haired smiling old man.

Sir Alec Douglas-Home the last Tory Toff I recall as a child that the press, TV and Satire very powerful then (Parody) left the impression on me then that he was weak and out of touch. He only lasted a year.

Harold Wilson, I remember he came in as a saviour he had played hard on the fact that Home was the 14th Earl and out of touch with ordinary folk. Wilson won 4 elections for Labour I recall the 64 (majority of 4) and 66 (majority 96) elections. People believed in him where I lived and when he lost in 1970 it was a shock. I remember election day it was a nice sunny day and rained later we all thought he would win it.

Tory Heath won and this being my formative teens I recall the troubles in Northern Ireland getting darker and deeper,  joining the ECC, which I was against, Thatcher stopping school milk, inflation, cost of living rises almost weekly a prices and incomes policy I think it was called. Fuel shortages and petrol prices rocketting coal miners on strike 3 day week etc.

Then Wilson the pipe smoking Gannex raincoat wearing politician returned to a Hung Parliament in 1974 another election in October 1974 gave him a small majority of 3.  He resigned at  thestart of the  long hot summer of 1976.

Labour Sonny Jim Callaghan he came in and because of the small majority always seemed to be doing deals with minor parties and it was a period of the IMF being called in high inflation and strikes. These at the time were down to a void caused by lack of political leadership in the country.

Tory Thatcher, destructive moniterism policy and allowing banks to reduce the amount of money on deposit and the big bang contributed to the position we are in today, depending on your point of view. Unrest and rioting on the streets and Industrial dog fight to the death along with the Poll Tax, Pension misselling. Does all this outweigh the Falklands? I had no time for Thacher's policies.

Tory John Major inflation and high interest rates Black Wednesday and a man that could eat peas from the back of his fork where is spitting image when you need it!

Labour Tony Blair some sort of messiah two wars and terror spring to mind though Northern Ireland has been at relative peace.

Gordon Brown well here we are what next? Who was worst for me? It is Thatcher. There is a lot to reflect on. That is why I have thought carefully about who I will vote for on Thursday.

It seems as though all Tory Prime-minister's were your worst Mr W  :-\
Then you joined the Tory's  :o  ....................... and then you left  :-\

So I guess you won't be voting Tory on thursday ......... and I can't see you as a Libdem'er either !
I can see you leaning towards the 'centre left'   :azn:

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Re: The Worst Primeminister, who is yours?
« Reply #9 on: May 04, 2010, 10:01:30 PM »

It seems as though all Tory Prime-minister's were your worst Mr W  :-\
Then you joined the Tory's  :o  ....................... and then you left  :-\

So I guess you won't be voting Tory on thursday ......... and I can't see you as a Libdem'er either !
I can see you leaning towards the 'centre left'   :azn:

No as I have said Thatcher was by far the worst, by a long way infact, next was Major both combined were a disaster.
 
I have never made any secret of the fact that I was somewhere left of Tony Blair when I was in the Tories, it used to be a broad church a one nation outfit after its obliteration in 1997.  The party has been hijacked and talks of change, but that is the last thing it wants.

Like you I have to wait for Thursday, I wonder who you will vote for Locally and Nationally?  :azn:
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« Reply #10 on: May 04, 2010, 10:16:36 PM »
I think that it is increasingly foolish to expect the effective governance of a country and the proper provision of it's services to be placed in the hands of political parties. I cannot for the life of me see the relevance of an adherence to a relatively narrow and restrictive political dogma to something as important as running a country. It always disappoints, that's why we have elections or, in less patient countries, coups.

Nevertheless, it is what we have, and I am, in reality, fundamentally obedient.

I believe we have been on a steadily climbing arc of stupidity and ineptitude, each successive numbskull  (and their lackeys, chums and wheel greasers) being able to perform previously unthinkable acts of ineptitude because our expectations have steadily been ratcheting down (ratchet = small mouseshit, ha ha). What would previously have stunned you into rioting (I'm sorry, I know that doesn't work but it made me smile) gets a harumph, perhaps a feck, or in my case a mumbled 'twat' every time I see the object of my ire on the telly. In the case of Balls I sometimes have to take a seat, just to give me time to let it all out. It is not beyond the realms of possibility he could be candidate for the crown of worst PM one day. Which is a worry.

A specific example would be this country's EU membership and the onerous duty placed upon us by that membership (in my view) it's as far away from a common market as I can imagine, closer in fact to the unified state envisioned by Napoleon or Hitler, the crack troops this time being bureaucrats. (there's a row for another day).

I'd probably plump for Heath as the nincompoop of that moment, but his lash up has been steadily compounded ever since, and it will get worse before it get's better.

You can remember an armed forces that once protected democracy and enjoyed a nobility because of the sacrifices it made, now, it imposes democracy as a kind of subcontractor. That in no way diminishes the individuals who makeup our armed forces, it does however highlight for me the steady decline in quality of their masters. The clincher in that argument being Bob Ainsworth.

National Health, a magnificent concept. Capable of stunning feats of medicine, but somehow lacking an essential humanity, we all have our stories where individual acts of nurses and doctors inspired our gratitude, but too many of us have our stories where thoughtfulness and a lack of respect for dignity have upset us. The NHS is so much better, yet simultaneously so much worse. I blame successive polticians who have seen twiddling and fiddling as a vote winner. It's supposed to be a life saver.

Public transport, education, utilities. All have individual aspects that are brilliant, but they lack a certain something that I, personally, feel they had and I struggle to describe or name. I can only put it as a kind of erosion of very basic values, a crystal clear view of the purpose of each institution and a commitment to ensure that purpose is met. I blame successive politicians who have given, in some cases, to each body sparkling trinkets and baubles , but too often forget the value of a good sensible set of undergarments or sensible shoes, but they ain't headline stuff are they?

So, nobody undoes the wrongs of the previous incumbents, they just slather on another layer of what they are pleased to tell us we asked for, yet we have only the vaguest recollection of.

The answer to the question is very simple.

The worst Prime Minister is always the last one.

Later this week we will have identified our next worst Primie Minister.
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« Reply #11 on: May 04, 2010, 10:56:50 PM »

It seems as though all Tory Prime-minister's were your worst Mr W  :-\
Then you joined the Tory's  :o  ....................... and then you left  :-\

So I guess you won't be voting Tory on thursday ......... and I can't see you as a Libdem'er either !
I can see you leaning towards the 'centre left'   :azn:

No as I have said Thatcher was by far the worst, by a long way infact, next was Major both combined were a disaster.
 
I have never made any secret of the fact that I was somewhere left of Tony Blair when I was in the Tories, it used to be a broad church a one nation outfit after its obliteration in 1997.  The party has been hijacked and talks of change, but that is the last thing it wants.

Like you I have to wait for Thursday, I wonder who you will vote for Locally and Nationally?  :azn:

My votes will differ locally and nationally
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« Reply #12 on: May 05, 2010, 12:00:12 AM »
From the 7 Prime Ministers I have to chose from, I think I'd put Mr Callaghan as the worst - like Mr Major he oft gave the impression of being in government without being in power - closely followed by Mr Heath purely for taking us into the EEC.
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« Reply #13 on: May 05, 2010, 10:20:04 AM »
Without a shadow of doubt - Margaret Thatcher was the worst Prime Minister in my life-time. 

Which leader might have made the best Prime Minister? Michael Foot.

However as my mum used to say, "It doesn't matter who you vote for, the Government always gets in."
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« Reply #14 on: May 05, 2010, 11:07:04 AM »
David Cameron

Has he been elected in my absence?

Having read Steve W's precis I think there all were pretty awful in their own particular way but the name Blair alway comes into my mind as he thought he could change anything irespective of its merits.  Change for Changes Sake, what a disaster and today we reap what he has sown, poor old Britain.
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« Reply #15 on: May 05, 2010, 12:44:59 PM »
Brown, followed closely by Blair.

5 close mate's came home in wooden boxes thanks to:

One of them being a lying decieptfull spiv, who cared more about sucking up to Bush than doing the right thing.

The other one being, not prudent, but a wastefull financial illiterate who's blown the countries credit card on fripperies while denying others he didn't like the basics needed to give them a fighting chance.

Sod the pair of them.

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« Reply #16 on: May 05, 2010, 03:01:37 PM »
Off subject a bit I know, but often on TS threads the EU is mentioned with contempt, and I'm not offering an opinion either way.  But somewhere here,  when I have the time to get to the bottom of the back of the wardrobe, I'll get out the leaflets delivered to every house prior to the referendom on joining the EU.  (I always knew they'd come in handy one day!) 

As a young mother, I had much more important things to do than worry my head about than in-depth politics.  However I dutifully read the leaflets and the thing that got me out to vote and for joining the EU was - at the time - ALL political parties AGREED they were for it.   I was so impressed by that, it swung my vote.
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« Reply #17 on: May 05, 2010, 04:00:31 PM »
Off subject a bit I know, but often on TS threads the EU is mentioned with contempt, and I'm not offering an opinion either way.  But somewhere here,  when I have the time to get to the bottom of the back of the wardrobe, I'll get out the leaflets delivered to every house prior to the referendom on joining the EU.  (I always knew they'd come in handy one day!) 

As a young mother, I had much more important things to do than worry my head about than in-depth politics.  However I dutifully read the leaflets and the thing that got me out to vote and for joining the EU was - at the time - ALL political parties AGREED they were for it.   I was so impressed by that, it swung my vote.

But Muggins most of us who voted to stay in did so in the belief it was a trading union and not a political one.  Had I known what it would become I would have voted against it and I suspect so would the majority of the British people irespective of political affiliations.
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« Reply #18 on: May 05, 2010, 05:12:49 PM »
Thatcher did more than anyone to handcuff us to Europe and Major did this as well with the Masstrick treaty or whatever it was called.
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« Reply #19 on: May 05, 2010, 07:05:12 PM »
Brown told the world that he was going to sell off our gold reserves and next day the price was around 285$ an ounce, and he sold nearly 400 tonnes of it, and lost more money than anything on record, then he went and gave that nerd Fred Goodwin a knighthood for 'services to banking', and then RBS had the biggest near bankrupt state on record.. some economic adviser he is.... :2funny:
or you could think of Kinnock who went to the polls with a manifesto of total pull out from the EU, got drummed out of service, and then went and got himself and his wife a gold plated job in the EU, never once blushed..