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Definitely Looks like a 3 Horse Race....
« on: April 20, 2010, 03:03:16 PM »
ICM and Poll of Polls today:

I'm not an expert but Labours vote seems fairly stable at 28% and the swingers are between the pretty boys  :)







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Re: Definitely Looks like a 3 Horse Race....
« Reply #1 on: April 21, 2010, 08:37:57 PM »
I'm in the 9%.
Sometimes I think you have to march right in and demand your rights, even if you don’t know what your rights are, or who the person is you’re talking to. Then, on the way out, slam the door.

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Re: Definitely Looks like a 3 Horse Race....
« Reply #2 on: April 28, 2010, 12:46:12 PM »
I have to say a few weeks ago I would have been in the blue corner, but having watch Cameron and other tory candidates I have to say I have found them snobby, arrogant, blinked and have a I'm all right Jake sod every one else.
 Let's face it as long as you work in the private sector earn a good wage married and have 2.2 children you will be fine.
but what about the rest of us, I work for the public sector so not a great wage and high risk of losing my job I choose not to have children, the only positive thing as from as  tory goes is I'm married.

so Tory's have lost my vote through their arrogance.

so clegg or brown ?

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Re: Definitely Looks like a 3 Horse Race....
« Reply #3 on: April 28, 2010, 01:15:52 PM »
Let's face it as long as you work in the private sector earn a good wage married and have 2.2 children you will be fine.

but what about the rest of us, I work for the public sector so not a great wage and high risk of losing my job I choose not to have children, the only positive thing as from as  tory goes is I'm married.
Err, I think you'll find there are been hundreds of thousands of private sector workers made redundant in the last couple of years, so welcome to our world!

And haven't the Lib Dems said they will reduce the budget deficit purely from cuts and not from tax rises, so surely public sector jobs are more at risk from the Lib Dems than the Tories?

Labour on the other hand will bury their heads in the sand for other five years and continue to spend like drunken sailors.

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Re: Definitely Looks like a 3 Horse Race....
« Reply #4 on: April 28, 2010, 02:54:10 PM »
Let's face it as long as you work in the private sector earn a good wage married and have 2.2 children you will be fine.

but what about the rest of us, I work for the public sector so not a great wage and high risk of losing my job I choose not to have children, the only positive thing as from as  tory goes is I'm married.
Err, I think you'll find there are been hundreds of thousands of private sector workers made redundant in the last couple of years, so welcome to our world!

And haven't the Lib Dems said they will reduce the budget deficit purely from cuts and not from tax rises, so surely public sector jobs are more at risk from the Lib Dems than the Tories?

Labour on the other hand will bury their heads in the sand for other five years and continue to spend like drunken sailors.

I'm not saying that private sector workers haven't been effected or they are are less important,

yes lib dems are making cuts but to me they are sensible cuts, the national data base, trident not front line workers unlike the tories

but policy aside it is the arrogance of the tories that has lost my vote and in my opinion local tories have done nothing to prove me wrong, as when talking to them all in different situations over the last couple of years their arrogance and self rightousness has shone through


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Re: Definitely Looks like a 3 Horse Race....
« Reply #5 on: April 28, 2010, 03:36:57 PM »
I'm not saying that private sector workers haven't been effected or they are are less important,

yes lib dems are making cuts but to me they are sensible cuts, the national data base, trident not front line workers unlike the tories

but policy aside it is the arrogance of the tories that has lost my vote and in my opinion local tories have done nothing to prove me wrong, as when talking to them all in different situations over the last couple of years their arrogance and self rightousness has shone through
ID cards and Trident are not cuts.

If you are £10,000 in debt and you don't buy a new car for £20,000 - you are still £10,000 in debt. You haven't "saved" anything.

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Re: Definitely Looks like a 3 Horse Race....
« Reply #6 on: April 28, 2010, 04:00:28 PM »
I have always voted Tory, but this time I am voting Labour. I think they are the best choice. Remember the grass is always greener on the other side until you get over there. People always seem to look at the negatives with a governement, that is fine, if we didn't we would not progress, but now is not the time.  I have full confidence in the present government to ride the storm.

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Re: Definitely Looks like a 3 Horse Race....
« Reply #7 on: April 28, 2010, 06:46:11 PM »
 I just recieved my postal vote. 

It certainly ain't going to Brown after today.


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Re: Definitely Looks like a 3 Horse Race....
« Reply #8 on: April 28, 2010, 07:24:40 PM »
One slip of the tongue and you are happy to throw your future away
Remember Camerons "Let us all kiss a hoodie"  Driving Huskies through the snow.
Riding his bike with a limousine in tow. I could go on but even I get bored listening to the man I call THE KIPPER He has 2 faces and no guts!!
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Re: Definitely Looks like a 3 Horse Race....
« Reply #9 on: April 28, 2010, 07:41:17 PM »
the lib dems mass immigration so who pays for all these newcomers benefits health care education etc, and then there is the euro and out with the pound, and then there is his revelation that he and others want to dump the NHS and go for a US type insurance scheme..
as for bankrupt idiot, and saying the browns can ride out the storm, yes with whose money,
whoever gets in, and it could be anybody, at the end of the day, everybody is going to be paying through the nose, youll note mandelson refused to answer questions  about vat rises or cuts,
we are almost in the the same boat as Greece and Portugal and Spain.... :2funny:

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Re: Definitely Looks like a 3 Horse Race....
« Reply #10 on: April 28, 2010, 08:22:13 PM »


Not a three horse race for me.  The liberals are out of my General Election picture because their local councillors have stayed carefully hidden during much of the Wifiasco.

Unless you live in their constituencies, isn't 'deciding' between Cameron, Brown and Clegg as Prime Minister as pointless as 'deciding' whether Bluh, Martin, Renard or Perkins will lead SBC after May 6th ?  None of them are accountable to you unless you can vote for or against them directly.

I'm looking at the local choices and their past records of engagement & representation so I think a combination of Conservative Government, Conservative council and two conservative MP's could be a very, very bad thing for Swindon.

If the Conservative presence in Swindon becomes stronger after May the 6th do we think our council is going to get more or less democratic?, more or less interested in the little people?, more or less interested in playing by the rules? 

Would two conservative MP's suddenly reverse their past record and start standing by you or would they continue to loyally support Bluh, whatever he does next?

I think I already know the answers and although I may not be able to forgive Anne Snelgrove for much of her parliamentary voting record to date, to me she is increasingly looking like the significantly least-worst option if I'm choosing between Tory and Labour. 

I want my MP to roar like a lion(ess), not abstain from votes or sit on the fence farting nervously when the pressure is on.

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Re: Definitely Looks like a 3 Horse Race....
« Reply #11 on: April 28, 2010, 08:25:04 PM »
given that option Geoff, you had better pass me the rope..........

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Re: Definitely Looks like a 3 Horse Race....
« Reply #12 on: April 28, 2010, 08:29:40 PM »
given that option Geoff, you had better pass me the rope..........

I'd have said exactly the same six months ago, and even now I can barely believe that I will probably vote for the same MP whose majority I'd previously vowed to help reduce form 1,353 to less than zero....

....but that's where the actions/inactions of 41 conservative councillors have led me.  :( 

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Re: Definitely Looks like a 3 Horse Race....
« Reply #13 on: April 28, 2010, 08:40:07 PM »
One slip of the tongue and you are happy to throw your future away
Remember Camerons "Let us all kiss a hoodie"  Driving Huskies through the snow.
Riding his bike with a limousine in tow. I could go on but even I get bored listening to the man I call THE KIPPER He has 2 faces and no guts!!

A slip of the tongue?

I may believe that Cleg, Cameron etc hold voters in contempt.

I now know Brown does.

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Re: Definitely Looks like a 3 Horse Race....
« Reply #14 on: April 28, 2010, 08:58:23 PM »
Remember Camerons "Let us all kiss a hoodie"

Wasn't he advocating hugging a hoodie rather than kissing one?

OK, I'm being a pedant, I'll get my coat and annoy people on a different thread  ;D
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Re: Definitely Looks like a 3 Horse Race....
« Reply #15 on: April 28, 2010, 09:15:52 PM »
Remember Camerons "Let us all kiss a hoodie"

Wasn't he advocating hugging a hoodie rather than kissing one?

OK, I'm being a pedant, I'll get my coat and annoy people on a different thread  ;D

He wants to come visit Penhill then  :o
I did like Cameron in the beginning but I get the odd feeling of doubt which bothers me.
My mum does not like him at all and says there is something she doesnt like about him, but cannot put her finger on.
She say's he is smarmy  :-\

Brown on the other hand, can come across as arrogant and if he came face to face with me and I had my say - he would probably mutter something like gobby bitch !

Now Cleggie on the other hand , I am really not sure about.

I have to decide soon !!! ....... as me mum always says 'It's no good riding a bike with no handles is it ' , maybe she is onto something there  :azn:
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Re: Definitely Looks like a 3 Horse Race....
« Reply #16 on: April 28, 2010, 10:02:58 PM »
Brown got caught, that's a crime in his game.

Mandelson will be hacked off, not because of what was said, but the fact he was caught. It is the same moral code as expenses.
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Re: Definitely Looks like a 3 Horse Race....
« Reply #17 on: April 29, 2010, 08:19:25 AM »
I can't vote for anyone who has Mandelson in the party, neither can I vote for people who supported Thatcher.

 This leaves me with little realistic choice.

I do wonder how like the TV series "The Thick of It" the Lib Dems would be given the opportunity.

The series  seems so realistic in reflecting both Red and Blues behaviour and testosterone laden, knee jerk policy making  as to be virtually indistinguishable from reality during the past years while I've been eligible to vote.

So I think I know ....

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« Reply #18 on: April 29, 2010, 08:37:16 AM »
Its been a 2 horse race since WWII when the Liberals were part of the national coalition government. Since the end of the war in 1945 it has been 2 horses.  Again I am sure if Swindonlad was here facts and data would be produced :popcorn:
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Re: Definitely Looks like a 2 Horse Race....to me
« Reply #19 on: April 29, 2010, 08:46:02 AM »
If we're not happy with the 2 existing horses we'll all have to get off our butts and breed a new one

or find a way to get existing ones to graze more intelligently, listen much closer to its supporters and betters, change the way it runs and blimin' touch its forelock in appreciation that ...thu' blumin thick and thin many have stayed with their course, jumped over their hurdles....

parties need to know that the public is not that blinkered that it can't work out where the stableboy has fiddled with it..

I'd better stop there...steward's enquiry ?   

photo finish ?

MPs have won with one extra bet/vote - ummm I must remember to go to the Polls week today !

Which leads me to Poll Tax....now don't start

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Re: Definitely Looks like a 3 Horse Race....
« Reply #20 on: April 29, 2010, 09:45:57 AM »
I feel better about myself how that Brown slagged off that woman. At least I know Brown has the same contempt for members of the public that I have for him.

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Re: Definitely Looks like a 3 Horse Race....
« Reply #21 on: April 29, 2010, 12:00:23 PM »
Remember this episode voting? The one about Nelson made me smile :)

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Re: Definitely Looks like a 3 Horse Race....
« Reply #22 on: April 29, 2010, 12:06:51 PM »
Looks like the Tories will raise VAT to 19.5%.

At least we know where they stand.

I wonder if Clegg or Brown will have to guts to admit they will also raise VAT and to what level?

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« Reply #23 on: April 29, 2010, 03:39:45 PM »
Whitehall mandarins were pushing Darling to raise VAT to 20% at the budget but Brown blocked it and went with National Insurance instead.
Whether Brown blocked because of electioneering or because VAT hurts the lower incomes most while NI does not affect pensioners and the like is entirely up to where you are in political support.
That a Tory Government propped up by Liberals will put VAT up is beyond doubt and that will be the trigger to start the inflation they will seek to devalue pensions benefits and the national dept overhang.
The £ will plummet and parity with the Euro will be established.
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Re: Definitely Looks like a 3 Horse Race....
« Reply #24 on: April 29, 2010, 05:39:01 PM »
I can't vote for anyone who has Mandelson in the party, neither can I vote for people who supported Thatcher.

 This leaves me with little realistic choice.



It's a bit late to move into a constituency where your vote will really weigh in Alex...
Swindon is really a tactical vote constituency this time.. If you cant vote for Snelgrove and you can't vote for Buckland, what about that bright shiny Green Party? A decent option even though it won't be a Govt. forming ballot .

Clearly one cannot vote for Cameron ( unless one really truly awfully wants Anne Snelgrove out) and one can't vote for Mandleson inc. so if one is in a LD constituency... it's the best hope of influencing Govt.
Thing is a vote for LD is in my mind a vote for Vince Cable, which is a sound thing.

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Re: Definitely Looks like a 3 Horse Race....
« Reply #25 on: April 29, 2010, 05:54:46 PM »
I can't vote for anyone who has Mandelson in the party, neither can I vote for people who supported Thatcher.

 This leaves me with little realistic choice.



It's a bit late to move into a constituency where your vote will really weigh in Alex...
Swindon is really a tactical vote constituency this time.. If you cant vote for Snelgrove and you can't vote for Buckland, what about that bright shiny Green Party? A decent option even though it won't be a Govt. forming ballot .

Clearly one cannot vote for Cameron ( unless one really truly awfully wants Anne Snelgrove out) and one can't vote for Mandleson inc. so if one is in a LD constituency... it's the best hope of influencing Govt.
Thing is a vote for LD is in my mind a vote for Vince Cable, which is a sound thing.


Yes Zippy, I tend to agree, he is the only one who has spoken sense consistently and I have the vaguest respect for.

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« Reply #26 on: April 29, 2010, 07:43:33 PM »

Yes Zippy, I tend to agree, he is the only one who has spoken sense consistently and I have the vaguest respect for.

He spoke at some random event I* was at.
He has the charisma of a cardboard box and is disadvantaged ( in our soundbite world) by his inability to be glib and smooth in speech. But... he is clever.
Happily I will be casting my vote in a super marginal, if it's comfort to you Alex I have spent some time this aft. garnering as many anti-Tory and anti-Mandelson votes as one can.

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« Reply #27 on: April 29, 2010, 08:08:28 PM »
Just for a mind game, as none of the politico's want to talk about it so far, and it's the big economy debate tonight.  I took a look at what Swindon's proportion of the National Debt amounts to.

National debt currently around about £905586000000 http://www.debtbombshell.com/
Population of Swindon                         192000 http://ww5.swindon.gov.uk/moderngov/Published/C00000295/M00003910/AI00020434/$TheSwindoncontext2010.docA.ps.pdf

Thats round about £14596.41 for every man woman and child.


Gives us a hefty £2,802,510,079

I guess the parties over, no more non-jobs, no more free rides of the taxpayer, cause the tax payers skint.