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Re: Have you recently stopped Buying the Pravdatiser
« Reply #40 on: March 13, 2012, 08:30:11 PM »
Helen, if you have been reading the adver for 40 years, you must have seen the articles in the past by both Labour MPs on a regular basis, and of course the pictures that went with them as for this being a tory rag, did you see the picture that that was in a few weeks ago, it was to show the dinner the west swindon oaps had, at either Liddington or Banbury, the picture showed the labour MP who was on a visit along with the Swindon South ppc, you know the one who loves the post office, so its all swings and round abouts, Mr Wills used to write very week in the Stratton Outlook, on his views of life.. try the lettters page, see how many times a week MJ Warner and his sidekicks get their letters printed.. :wink:

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Re: Have you recently stopped Buying the Pravdatiser
« Reply #41 on: March 14, 2012, 10:00:30 AM »
Well now, the point is the saturation of one-sided articles. The Tory columns to the right, quite appropriately, are most usually 'back-slapping' on issues from which the writer tries to claim personal esteem ... nothing changes in any real achievement terms.

Forget the letters page having all political slants, as would otherwise be quite in order, but take today for example, Cllr Perkins has a letter in response to Labour alternative budgets and my how the two groups hate eachother, such bile! :fence:

Had to laugh, someone from the SAdver must get wind of what is written on here as they have, for the second or third time printed the same story in content about street lights being switched back on. The amusement is the huge posed photo of Cllrs Wakefield and Grant taking up 25% of the page!  Why do they keep on raiding the photo archives and repeating so many stories, it's like BBC Radio Swindon keeping on broadcasting old hat news as they do? Balancing the political stance? :spin:

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Re: Have you recently stopped Buying the Pravdatiser
« Reply #42 on: March 14, 2012, 10:11:01 AM »
Well I can answer the photo thing, nearly everytime they have a story they want a picture and they want you, where they want you, when they want you and that's not always convenient, and they seem unable to bend to it.  When it happens to me, if no one else will do it, I ask them to use an archive photo - not only that it means I don't age much.  :)

The difference with a volunteer stumping up for a photo (rather than a politician) is that it sometimes raises local jealousies and as I'm not standing for a vote and I'm no oil painting, I don't care who in the community poses for the photo.  So long as we get the publicity for the event or project, of course.
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Re: Have you recently stopped Buying the Pravdatiser
« Reply #43 on: March 14, 2012, 01:32:40 PM »
Kohima makes the obvious point: Five years ago 'the bias' was the polar opposite.

Its hardly a coordinated effort to endorse everything said by 'tories' is it - just a local paper reflecting the fact that one party is in power and making key decisions which effect the populace (and which are of obvious interest to them) - and one party not in power, trying to pry it back.

The only people seriously trying to claim otherwise are, surprise surprise, Labour party activists. When the balance of power shifts again, it'll be interesting to see if these same people will be as vocal in asking that the Adver gives the conservatives an equal share of coverage, won't it?

I've publically criticised the current encumbents on several ocassions. Not once have I had any trouble getting the Advertisers interest or coverage.
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Re: Have you recently stopped Buying the Pravdatiser
« Reply #44 on: March 14, 2012, 04:58:58 PM »
I don't know about that Tobes, I remember that the bias was always felt to be with the Tories or at least not 'for' Labour or Lib dems for that matter. 

Personally I think the Adver has changed considerably to about ten years aagoa, when it was all shock and horror. it may be more parochial now, but at least they are local stories, with local interest and not so badly reported as they once were.
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Re: Have you recently stopped Buying the Pravdatiser
« Reply #45 on: March 14, 2012, 06:12:00 PM »
HI Kohima
yes i would agree with you on some of your points about political parties,and yes labour in power had collumns in the adver.But if you go back in time the adver, to myself anyway and i am biased remember.has for. some years been more one party than another.although to be fair to the adver they were very kind to one of our mp;s
who had the nickname of the member for Athens West!

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Re: Have you recently stopped Buying the Pravdatiser
« Reply #46 on: March 14, 2012, 07:22:13 PM »
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I don't know about that Tobes, I remember that the bias was always felt to be with the Tories or at least not 'for' Labour or Lib dems for that matter. 

...and I don't think its 'for' the conservatives now, any more than it was 'for' the Libs or Labour. Like I said, its just that the cons are MUCH more professional about the way the present themselves and stories of public interest to the media. That's hardly the media's fault, is it?

There used to be an interesting thread called 'Are Labour running a smear campaign, and is Anne Snelgrove behind it' (no archived - can a working link be retrieved? ) - a thread enthusiastically endorsed by many, some of who have subsequently changed political alegiance, and which talked about selectively favourable/unfavourable media coverage, if memory serves me well.   :-\

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Re: Have you recently stopped Buying the Pravdatiser
« Reply #47 on: March 14, 2012, 09:15:42 PM »
There used to be an interesting thread called 'Are Labour running a smear campaign, and is Anne Snelgrove behind it' (no archived - can a working link be retrieved? ) - a thread enthusiastically endorsed by many, some of who have subsequently changed political alegiance, and which talked about selectively favourable/unfavourable media coverage, if memory serves me well.   :-\


Do you mean this one?

An interesting trip down memory lane, and one which I think anyone who thinks TS is a pro-labour forum should take  :wink:

Just for the record, my political allegiance hasn't changed since 2007 (being when that post was started). I still believe that political parties are the problem rather than the solution.
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Re: Have you recently stopped Buying the Pravdatiser
« Reply #48 on: March 14, 2012, 10:04:29 PM »
There is an on line article by the developer who seeks to build houses on seven acres of former allotment and eight acres of designated open space in Gorse Hill.
No Councillor representing Gorse Hill or Western was asked for comment on this smearing attempt by the developer. No-one was discouraged from entering their event by us and we certainly did not prevent anyone from attending, nor was any visitor asked to sign our petition before they entered.
Until people started arriving by yellow taxi cab in last half hour no-one refused to sign our petition.
We have made no false statement.
Haboakus and the detail of their proposals are irrelevant to our campaign to defend Swindon urban open space. We are determined to defend this and all the green corridors in Swindon created and defended by generations of proper civic leaders of both parties. The space we need and enjoy is not up for negotiation with any developer even if they were prepared to pay the proper value of the land.

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Re: Have you recently stopped Buying the Pravdatiser
« Reply #49 on: March 14, 2012, 10:16:35 PM »
Somethings on TS don't seem to change though...  :wink:

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Re: Have you recently stopped Buying the Pravdatiser
« Reply #50 on: March 14, 2012, 11:01:56 PM »
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There is an on line article by the developer who seeks to build houses on seven acres of former allotment and eight acres of designated open space in Gorse Hill.
No Councillor representing Gorse Hill or Western was asked for comment on this smearing attempt by the developer. No-one was discouraged from entering their event by us and we certainly did not prevent anyone from attending, nor was any visitor asked to sign our petition before they entered.
Until people started arriving by yellow taxi cab in last half hour no-one refused to sign our petition.
We have made no false statement.
Haboakus and the detail of their proposals are irrelevant to our campaign to defend Swindon urban open space. We are determined to defend this and all the green corridors in Swindon created and defended by generations of proper civic leaders of both parties. The space we need and enjoy is not up for negotiation with any developer even if they were prepared to pay the proper value of the land.

There are a lot of unlinked statements in that Des, I'm a little confused as to their relevance to this thread...?
Can you provide the link so I can understand the context?
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Re: Have you recently stopped Buying the Pravdatiser
« Reply #51 on: March 14, 2012, 11:37:44 PM »
Link here http://www.talkswindon.org/index.php/topic,8414.msg76756.html#msg76756
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Re: Have you recently stopped Buying the Pravdatiser
« Reply #52 on: March 14, 2012, 11:45:43 PM »
I should have been clearer Tobes. I only do the IT I have to do and anyway I don't think this tread would welcome me putting a link to the Adver's on line story that some would term churnalism of the developers press release. Its headed Developer moves to squash false rumours and then proceeds to make false allegation against the campaigners.
My message to the developer is simply we don't want to discuss the detail of your plan, we don't want any development on public open space.
The yellow cab does need a bit of explaining but I am afraid I can't explain. Why would a couple of people presumably living in vicinity of the public open space with to visible physical impediment arrive by yellow cab which waited for the occupants who engaged us in conversation on leaving the event singing the praises of the scheme. Is there a yellow cab company in Swindon?

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Re: Have you recently stopped Buying the Pravdatiser
« Reply #53 on: March 14, 2012, 11:48:41 PM »
I posted while you were posting Steve, if you think it right please put the link to the Adver story.

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Re: Have you recently stopped Buying the Pravdatiser
« Reply #54 on: March 16, 2012, 09:57:49 PM »
Steve Wakefield recently posted this in a different thread.

A noise assessment after they have been built... Triple glazing, noise baffles on all vents so that when windows are closed due to noise fresh air can still be drawn in without the noise, and extra thick walls all can be built in during construction. A bit difficult to retro fit after constrution.

The comments section is also interesting.

http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/9590100.31_new_flats_to_be_built_near_nightclub/


I don't visit the Adver site very often these days, but on Steve's recommendation I took a look at that article and the comments on it. Roughly one third of the comments are about the article, the remainder seem to be from two groups of users, each of which is accusing the other of being a single person using multiple accounts for trolling purposes.

I think those comments generate more heat than light. The signal to noise ratio on that article is rapidly dropping through the floor.

We don't seem to get that problem on TS. Members may occasionally get a bit  :fence: with each other about various subjects, but usually we all get to learn a lot more about both sides of the argument as a result.

So, if I want to know what the good people of Swindon think about something, I'd consider consider the posts on TS to be a more reliable guide than the comments on Adver articles.
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Re: Have you recently stopped Buying the Pravdatiser
« Reply #55 on: March 16, 2012, 10:52:42 PM »
I think it says a lot that the Adver stopped publishing the filtered selection of the online comments in the actual paper ages ago. 

TS isn't plonker free, I remember the problems last year with 20Eyes and Cllr. Faramarzi's partner.  I wonder if bobfm still visits here after he flounced off like a big girls blouse?


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Re: Have you recently stopped Buying the Pravdatiser
« Reply #56 on: March 16, 2012, 11:46:21 PM »

Cllr Faramarzi's partner DOlly is a conservative candidate in the new cheney wossname ward.  If he displays the same attitude on the doorstep as he did on TS he'll render himself unelectable.

If he doesn't behave the same way then one persona or the other is false.

Re RFM: I think Bob still reads TS regularly.  The thing to remember about Bob is that, once his battle-heat cools off a bit, he doesn't seem to hold a lasting grudge....

...Even after he's had his arse kicked :)

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Re: Have you recently stopped Buying the Pravdatiser
« Reply #57 on: March 17, 2012, 01:16:16 AM »
Yeah, Ol', Bob may talk a load of cobblers more often than not, but he appears to be an honourable (if misguided) chap. I actually wish he was around TS still - but debate isn't really his scene. God only knows why he persists with the stalkers, weirdos and retards on the Adver comments pages, but ho hum.

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TS isn't plonker free, I remember the problems last year with 20Eyes and Cllr. Faramarzi's partner.

Too true. Oily F - He did a very good job at demonstrating himself to be a thoroughly unpleasant individual - and I suspect that he's been on TS in more than one persona.

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Re: Have you recently stopped Buying the Pravdatiser
« Reply #58 on: March 17, 2012, 06:05:01 PM »
Yes, Oliver ws outraged when I suggested that he had been sent on to the Swindon Housing Facebook page to reinforce the beleaguered forces of the pro-transfer lobby. He wasn't a member of the Tory Party he insisted. So I am utterly shocked that he is now a Tory candidate. Do you think his partner gave him a membership form, or was he being, as they say in polite circles, disingenuous?

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Re: Have you recently stopped Buying the Pravdatiser
« Reply #59 on: May 23, 2012, 10:07:36 PM »
Strange times at the adver with regard to the comments sections?
The prolific google "expert on everything"  had a week off, then briefly returned.

Now not only has the resident bloghog disappeared, but so has 99% of all commentors.
It's like The Mary Celeste on a quiet day  :coolsmiley:
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