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Lord Ashcroft
« on: March 01, 2010, 06:28:33 PM »
At last a chink of light http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2010/mar/01/lord-ashcroft-reveals-non-dom?CMP=AFCYAH

The Ashcroft question has been answered after 10years, what next the Midlothian one?



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Re: Lord Ashcroft
« Reply #1 on: March 01, 2010, 07:36:57 PM »
Like shooting fish in a barrel.

Gordon Brown has previously claimed it is ‘a scandal’ that there is not greater transparency on the tax status of party backers. But latest figures show that since 2001, Labour have taken over £10 million from eight reportedly ‘non-dom’ donors:


• Lord Paul – £69,250 in donations to Labour, including £45,000 to Gordon Brown’s leadership campaign. A close friend of Gordon Brown and appointed to the Privy Council last summer, he has admitted to being ‘non-dom’.
• Lakshmi Mittal - £4.125 million in donations to Labour.
• Sir Ronald Cohen - £2.55 million in donations to Labour. Cohen was appointed chair of the Social Investment Taskforce, which was announced by the then Chancellor, Gordon Brown.
• Sir Christopher Ondaatje - £1.7 million in donations to Labour.
• Sir Gulam Noon - £532,826 in donations to Labour.
• William Bollinger - £510,725 in donations to Labour.
• Mahmoud Khayami - £985,000 in donations to Labour including £5,000 to Hazel Blears’ deputy leadership campaign. He has helped bankroll two flagship schools, one of which Gordon Brown opened, and was personally thanked for a donation by Tony Blair.
• Dr David Potter - £90,000 in a donation to Labour. He has previously delivered a lecture at Downing Street.

And compare this with the donations from Lord Ashcroft's Bearwood company...

• Only one per cent donated by Bearwood this year. In the last calendar year, Bearwood’s donations contribution to the Conservative Party amounts to just one per cent of all donations – £329,859 donated out of £32,508,866 received by the Conservative Party (Electoral Commission register).

• Less than five per cent donated by Lord Ashcroft and Bearwood since Cameron became leader. Since David Cameron became leader, less than five per cent of cash and in-kind donations have come from Bearwood Corporate Services, a company in which Lord Ashcroft has an interest. Since Q1 2006, Bearwood has donated £4,131,995 in cash and in-kind out of a total £90,723,018 donated to the Conservative Party in the same period (Electoral Commission register).

• At most 10 per cent of marginal seat funds donated by Bearwood. Of the funds spent in marginal seats, the amount received from Bearwood is no more than 10 per cent at most (Electoral Commission register). The Independent put this at 18% in their Saturday edition, but those who have done the calculations disagree and out it at a maximum of 10%.

The point is that David Cameron has made clear that in future all donations will have to be made by domiciled UK taxpayers. Gordon Brown, so far as I am aware, has made no such commitment. Lord Ashcroft has said he will abide by the new rules. Will Lord Paul and Sir Ronnie Cohen and their friends?


All grubby little sods really.
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Re: Lord Ashcroft
« Reply #2 on: March 01, 2010, 08:13:15 PM »
Davis Cameron is a tinker.
GHis 'no money from Non-Doms ' is a piece of wiffle.

All the proper Non-Doms will simply arrange donations through their tax-paying UK Companies.
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Re: Lord Ashcroft
« Reply #3 on: March 01, 2010, 09:08:11 PM »

Oh come on Zippy, we've all done it...

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Re Political funding is there a Swindon Connection?
« Reply #4 on: March 02, 2010, 10:17:46 AM »
Is that Lord Madelson (It takes one to know one)  ramping this political story up? Is he trying to :emb: David Cameron, by showing this as something from the Tory past? That Mandy geezer appears to be switched on and will he allege that Lord Ashcroft does/does not, did/didnot (delete appropriate) give money during the last 10 years to Swindon Conservatives?

Mart posted about labour donations that was interesting never knew about that.
Nothing posted about libdem funders, anything known? Google here I come....

In the meantime Questions for the parties/candidates in Swindon.

1. Have any Swindon tory councillors benefitted from Ashcroft funds?
2. Have any Swindon labour councillors benefitted from the funds identified by Mart?
3. Have any Swindon lib dems benefitted from any money given to them by similar donations?

I have/I have not (delete appropriate) emails emphastically denying this.  :2funny:

To balance the thread tory labour and now libdem (thanks google) here is a libdem story with a Wiltshire connection.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article1567239.ece

Anyone got anything about donations to the Greens, UKIP and others? Please feel free to wade in.
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Re: Lord Ashcroft
« Reply #5 on: March 02, 2010, 12:14:30 PM »
Again, to the indiscriminating eye- it looks like some clandestine network is at the centre of all power sources.

I don't understand why anyone thinks democracy exists and that it's a "good" thing?   :WTF:

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Re: Lord Ashcroft
« Reply #6 on: March 02, 2010, 09:22:10 PM »
Guido has more gubbins on who is scummier than who.

In no way trying to justify the backhanded nature of party funding it would appear Gordnon's lot are setting new standards for hypocrisy. First four or so articles.

http://order-order.com/

That Lord Paul seems particularly embarassing if expolited properly.
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Re: Lord Ashcroft
« Reply #7 on: March 02, 2010, 09:25:45 PM »
didnt that F1 magnet give a million to the party, to avoid any fag adverts being banned,
couldnt you also include those who have given money to actually get into the Lords.

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Re: Lord Ashcroft
« Reply #8 on: March 02, 2010, 09:28:34 PM »
How about an extra tax which non-doms would have to pay on political donations?

(I've also no aversion to making unions have to have votes on political donations as well IF shareholders also have a vote on companies making political donations).

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Re: Lord Ashcroft
« Reply #9 on: March 02, 2010, 10:15:08 PM »
Don't think the Ashcroft story has quite gone away yet:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2010/mar/02/ashcroft-tax-correspondence


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Re: Lord Ashcroft
« Reply #10 on: March 02, 2010, 11:41:05 PM »
How can I become a non-dom?

Not that I would of course  :angel:
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Re: Lord Ashcroft
« Reply #11 on: March 04, 2010, 05:20:27 PM »
An Electoral Commission report has cleared the Conservative Party and its deputy chairman Lord Ashcroft of breaching the law in relation to donations, totalling more than £5 million.

Strange no one has either confirmed or denied that they as candidates in Swindon have or have not benefitted from donations. Perhaps Swindon is not on political radar, anyone know?

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Re: Lord Ashcroft
« Reply #12 on: March 04, 2010, 07:28:27 PM »
'My' union sent me this today.

The admission by Lord Ashcroft, the Tories biggest financial backer, that he did   
 not honour a promise to become a UK tax-paying resident has been forced out after 
 years of avoiding the question. He is now estimated to owe you and all UK         
 taxpayers a staggering £127 million!                                               
                                                                                   
 Sign the petition to call on Lord Ashcroft to pay back this money and for David   
 Cameron to insist that he does at www.unite4labour.org/politics-is-not-for-sale   
                                                                                   
                                                                                   
 It is a disgrace that David Cameron and the Tories, who lecture and hector about   
 openness and transparency, have been as opaque as opaque can be on Ashcroft.       
                                                                                   
                                                                                   
Join t he campaign to force the Tories to make Ashcroft pay what he owes at       
 www.unite4labour.org/politics-is-not-for-sale                                     
                                                                                   
                                                                                   
 Ashcroft failed to honour his promise. Even now he is trying to wriggle out of his
 commitments. The Guardian editorial said “Lord Ashcroft agreed to be a UK resident
 as a condition of taking up his seat in the Lords…this means he must pay UK tax on
 his UK income. But vast pools of his wealth remain off-shore in Belize…That may be
 a defensible position in the courtroom, but not on the political field.”           
                                                                                   
                                                                                   
 He is different to other non-domicile party donors. He has single-handedly created
 a Tory organisation in the key parliamentary seats, been a close advisor on policy
 and organisation to David Cameron and senior Tories, funded Tory blog sites and   
 bought into influential media.                                                     
                                                                                   
                                                                                   
 Sign up now to tell Ashcroft and the Tories we deserve that money back at         
 www.unite4labour.org/politics-is-not-for-sale                                     
                                                                                   
                                                                                   
 Our politics are not for sale to rich businessmen who don’t pay their fair share   
 of taxes. Unite will not allow this to go without comment or a campaign for       
 justice. Together we will win the General Election by exposing the Tories for what
 they are – a party of the rich for the rich with spending cuts that will put a     
 million public sector workers and tens of thousands in the private sector on the   
 dole.                                                                             
                                                                                   
                                                                                   
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 Derek Simpson and Tony Woodley                                                     
                                                                                   
                                                                                   
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I would have been a bit more receptive if they had mentioned the Labour Party's rich and benighted donors.  Pretty artless and a tad strident for my taste.                                                 
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Re: Lord Ashcroft
« Reply #13 on: March 04, 2010, 08:40:17 PM »
which is the pratt who had been shoehorned into a safe labour seat and the sitting MP is moved into the Lords...... :2funny:

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Re: Lord Ashcroft
« Reply #14 on: March 05, 2010, 07:10:08 PM »
The Daily Mash:


http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/politics/politics-headlines/angry-taxpayers-demand-tutorial-from-lord-ashcroft-201003022518/

Personally I don't see the Ashcroft thing having influence on who I'm going to waste my vote on this time round.  It did remind me of the Cash for Peerages scandle a couple of years back and all that has done is to re-enforce the belief that the self serving wastrells are as bad as each other.

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Re: Lord Ashcroft Game is David Cameron's Shame
« Reply #15 on: March 06, 2010, 01:14:42 PM »
By Simon Heffer The Telegraph wrote
Published: 6:59PM GMT 05 Mar 2010

It is never too late to do the decent thing, and Michael Ashcroft was right to say he will resign as deputy chairman of the Tory party after the election. His presence has been an embarrassment. If you wish to own a political party in Britain, you should at least have the good manners to pay all your taxes in Britain.

Yet the saga reflects shockingly on Dave, who was derelict in allegedly not asking the question about Ashcroft’s tax status; and it also damages Ashcroft’s close crony William Hague. How can we be happy to be ruled by people of such abominable judgment? What else do they know about, but choose not to tell us? This is not a matter just for the Westminster village: it should offend every Tory in the country.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/simonheffer/7377056/Lord-Ashcrofts-game-is-David-Camerons-shame.html


Simon you have a point there and sadly Bill Hague has been fingered by Simon. ))))

Anyone answered my questions yet in the earlier post? Come on Tomlinson and Buckland speak up Please :-X :-X
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Re: Lord Ashcroft is it all Balls?
« Reply #16 on: March 07, 2010, 10:04:38 PM »
In a highly personal attack, the business secretary said in an interview with the Guardian that Ashcroft had Cameron "by the balls", the affair showed Cameron was "too weak to pick a fight with his own party" and the Tories were "fundamentally unchanged".

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2010/mar/07/peter-mandelson-lord-ashcroft-row?CMP=AFCYAH

Haha Mandelson does make one laugh perhaps Cameron  should :smiley6600: a friend?

It appears that may be a good idea as long as it not Lord Tebbit, he is quoted in the same article  "Lord Tebbit, the former party chairman, also criticised Ashcroft's handling of the affair today, the most senior Tory to do so publicly."

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Re: Lord Ashcroft
« Reply #17 on: March 07, 2010, 10:11:00 PM »
'My' union sent me this today.

The admission by Lord Ashcroft, the Tories biggest financial backer................
                                                                                   
.............. Derek Simpson and Tony Woodley                                                     
                                                                                   
                                                                                   
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I would have been a bit more receptive if they had mentioned the Labour Party's rich and benighted donors.  Pretty artless and a tad strident for my taste.                                               

I received the same letter and felt exactly the same way about it.


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Re: Lord Ashcroft
« Reply #18 on: March 08, 2010, 08:53:39 AM »
The fuss is about the Ashcroft peerage being given on the basis he would become  a UK taxpayer.  It is not against electoral law for non doms to give donations to political parties. But I think its good fun to watch Lord Mandelson, Tebbit etc in a spat while Bill Hague keeps out of it. He was the chap it is claimed that arranged the peerage?

Its like watching ferrets in a sack ;D
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Re: Lord Ashcroft
« Reply #19 on: March 08, 2010, 09:11:20 AM »
Was there not some reason that the Americans didn't want Ashcroft to get political power and dear old Whitehall being scared of being sued thought up the non dom tax thing instead?
Something to do with how Ashcroft got the money in the first place and his role in the Belize informal economy.
Is that why the tax dodging donors were/are treated differently?


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