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This will be quick and dirty.....mucho delayed by phone calls, emails and stuff being poked through my letter box  :)

I'll have to update this post in the early hours of Saturday morning, but briefly:

There are 2 unsubstantiated rumours currently going around the civic offices today, the first is that the leadership has mislaid a plan of some description, and the second that I have obtained a business plan of some description.  I'm not confirming or denying anything, but promise that I will publish any plans I have in my possession later tonight or early tomorrow morning.

Rod Bluh has had a busy week. Starting by accusing all and sundry, but especially Cllr Dickinson, of leaking, then pleading with the group to become leak-free and loyal to him again.  The herd grumbled slightly but, after being soothed by a message from teh WiFi Tsar, has filed obediently back into line again.  Peter Mallinson has barely needed to raise his whip hand. 

But, before Councillors go back to sleep again, they really should read Komadori's most recent post on the subject before they phone me with good news 'key messages' about WiFi.  Listen, I'll say it one more time: I am NOT interested in WiFi itself, but I AM interested in the decision making process which allowed just two councillors to bung nearly half a million pounds at WiFi.  :)



More later....  :)
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So, having read all of that green jollop, I understand that the planning was a bit shit (preparation and planning prevent piss poor performance as my primary school teacher used to say) in as much it would appear they weren't actually sure where they were going to put their widgets.

If you are tall I wouldn't stand still for too long in Highworth or you'll Rikkstered.

The PR was completely out of step with reality, though come to think of it.......

And nobody particularly want's it.

You'd almost believe there never was a plan, of any description.

Other than that it's been a roaring success.

Let's get a set of metaphorical scales and place WiFi on one side, then £450k's worth of cut services on the other. Now let's see which would have added most to the sum of humankind.

Depressing.
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If you are tall I wouldn't stand still for too long in Highworth or you'll Rikkstered.


as i am new to this Mart what is being Rikkstered please

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This whole story gets worse.

I know that for mobile phone networks, there is a lot of complex network planning and provisioning to ensure good hand-off between cells and avoid places with no signal, or interference between cells  Topography is pretty important too.. and all of this can influence the parameters set on individual devices

I can't imagine wifi is much different...

Software to aid with optimising the provisioning of a 2G/3G network would probably blow the £450K budget... but without it the service is likely to be a bit pants.

I'm guessing that folks are finding this much harder than expected - I wonder how much of the budget was for equipment versus network configuration etc.

It was also noticeable that one of the tweets suggested that they'd have their subscription system down for several days for an upgrade  :-\ it all implies a one-man band which I don't think will be able to compete with Virgin/BT etc.

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This week alone i have had a call from BT offering broadband at £7.99 per month for eighteen month with a free wireless router and a flier from Talk Talk offering broadband at £6.99 per month. Add this to the similar Sky and Virgin offers that i received last week i would say that Swindon is being targeted quite aggressively.

I fear that the new kids on the block may get mullered. Remember Freddie Laker

4G was also successfully trialled in Slough and will make municipal wifi redundant.

Still, means that digital city can concentrate on the more lucrative services to the council with preferred partner intamac.

See Barnet and Peterborough Council case studies

http://www.intamac.com/business/FloodDetection.asp

So we pay for it one way or another.

Shame really, i would never say no to free Internet...
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Ah, to be Rikkstered.

Being Rikkstered means that a dominant voice enters your visions, visions that come about as a result of the exhausting pursuit of excellence.

If you are Rikkstered you will find yourself acting in ways that mean you mislay things like, ooh, I dunno, Business Plans f'rinstance, a slippery creature the Business Plan when you are in the thrall of the Rikkster.

A positive effect of being enslaved in an occult way by the Rikkster is that you discover a magical way with funding, where previously you were fiscally bereft you will discover sums of money approaching £450k in some cases, you will be filled with a sense of mythical power which will compel you to spunk said £450k on the wildest of schemes, such schemes could in some cases founder on such mystic thins as the absence of appropriate fecking lamposts.

Beware the Rikkster, once he has his hands on your clangers you are his to command.

On the other hand I may have been drinking.
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Ah, i completely miss-understood. I thought being Rikkstered was having your pants and trousers pulled down , then getting bent over and [Blankety Blanked] in the [Blankety Blank] in public. Sorry my mistake, thanks for the clarification Mart.
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Couple more tit bits which I'll expand upon later (posting from my  phone at the moment.

It seems some council officers are getting worried about a little thing called the 'ethical framework' because they've begun noticing things being done in peculiar ways. Another 'peculiarity' is scheduled to happen next week and will, I suggest, have the strong whiff of Blairite 'sofa government' about it.

Also, I fell strangely inclined to pen a few more words about the chair of internal audit, Councillor Dickinson, and his recent testiculat displayand subsequent quiet neutering. 

Lastly, a whisper from the Westminster village says Bluh is planning another cabinet re-shuffle, not much local opinion on this apart from a theory finoola wossname, who was recently handed her P45 by Bluh, could be shunted into the deputy mayorship to ensure she doesn't spill her guts about 'The Bluh Years'.  I bet she's pissed of her partner wasn't selected instead of John Short though. John Short probably isn't cheesed off - the Freemasons Strike Back?

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I thought Freddie Laker was the one shafted by ba and others to say the least, he was the guy giving the cheap flights, they were the ones who killed him off...... :'( :'

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I thought Freddie Laker was the one shafted by ba and others to say the least, he was the guy giving the cheap flights, they were the ones who killed him off...... :'( :'

You are right, but i was think more about the price fixing by the big boys that lead to his demise. Freddie was one of the good guys and his name should not be uttered in the same breath as other well known businessmen.

Freddie, I salute you. (No suitable smiley saluting, sorry)
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Ah, i completely miss-understood. I thought being Rikkstered was having your pants and trousers pulled down , then getting bent over and [Blankety Blanked] in the [Blankety Blank] in public. Sorry my mistake, thanks for the clarification Mart.

very similar but its your wallet that gets b******d for £450k
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This week alone i have had a call from BT offering broadband at £7.99 per month for eighteen month with a free wireless router and a flier from Talk Talk offering broadband at £6.99 per month. Add this to the similar Sky and Virgin offers that i received last week i would say that Swindon is being targeted quite aggressively.

I fear that the new kids on the block may get mullered. Remember Freddie Laker

4G was also successfully trialled in Slough and will make municipal wifi redundant.

Still, means that digital city can concentrate on the more lucrative services to the council with preferred partner intamac.

See Barnet and Peterborough Council case studies

http://www.intamac.com/business/FloodDetection.asp

So we pay for it one way or another.

Shame really, i would never say no to free Internet...


Swotsy can I say that the forerunner of these sensors was running in Swindon in 1986. That is why I am not fussed about the technology it is tried and tested and very much 20th century technology, it has just jumped from copper wire to copper wireless.

http://www.chubbcommunitycare.co.uk/contact-us/C78/ the company that was here in swindon in the 1980s providing sensors. Formerly Shorrock now Chubb. Many people in the country have benefitted from that 1980s experiment and the work carried out in Swindon afterwards.
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It seems some council officers are getting worried about a little thing called the 'ethical framework' because they've begun noticing things being done in peculiar ways.

If they're really worried, they should remember
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This week alone i have had a call from BT offering broadband at £7.99 per month for eighteen month with a free wireless router and a flier from Talk Talk offering broadband at £6.99 per month. Add this to the similar Sky and Virgin offers that i received last week i would say that Swindon is being targeted quite aggressively.

I fear that the new kids on the block may get mullered. Remember Freddie Laker

4G was also successfully trialled in Slough and will make municipal wifi redundant.

Still, means that digital city can concentrate on the more lucrative services to the council with preferred partner intamac.

See Barnet and Peterborough Council case studies

http://www.intamac.com/business/FloodDetection.asp

So we pay for it one way or another.

Shame really, i would never say no to free Internet...


Swotsy can I say that the forerunner of these sensors was running in Swindon in 1986. That is why I am not fussed about the technology it is tried and tested and very much 20th century technology, it has just jumped from copper wire to copper wireless.

http://www.chubbcommunitycare.co.uk/contact-us/C78/ the company that was here in swindon in the 1980s providing sensors. Formerly Shorrock now Chubb. Many people in the country have benefitted from that 1980s experiment and the work carried out in Swindon afterwards.


Quite right Mr Wakefield. I believe they called it Telemetry. Featured heavily on BBC Tomorrows World. (I had a thing for Judith Hann)

As far as i can see all the services supplied by Signal are second hand. Search for Hosted Sharepoint, CRM or exchange on Google and you will see a myriad of companies offering the same Microsoft services. I doubt if Digital City are hosting this themselves and have just signed a reseller agreement with an incumbent. Happy to be corrected if wrong. (Sorry, that sounds a bit S&M :bottom:)

In fact, with the council supplying the IT network and expertise  and free office space and SCS installing the access points and all the services being repackaged third party stuff etc etc Network City are looking a bit redundant in this deal. Mayby i am being a bit naive. :uglystupid2:

Role on free internet for all, but when all said and done its just a hot spot only bigger. (That's what i say to the wife anyway :D)
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Gotsignals February Update and Business Case

http://www.talkswindon.org/lamplighters/gotsignal/february_update.htm

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This whole story gets worse.

I know that for mobile phone networks, there is a lot of complex network planning and provisioning to ensure good hand-off between cells and avoid places with no signal, or interference between cells  Topography is pretty important too.. and all of this can influence the parameters set on individual devices

I can't imagine wifi is much different...

Software to aid with optimising the provisioning of a 2G/3G network would probably blow the £450K budget... but without it the service is likely to be a bit pants.

I'm guessing that folks are finding this much harder than expected - I wonder how much of the budget was for equipment versus network configuration etc.

It was also noticeable that one of the tweets suggested that they'd have their subscription system down for several days for an upgrade  :-\ it all implies a one-man band which I don't think will be able to compete with Virgin/BT etc.

With Dellboy ringing in my ears - how the hell do you turn it off Geoff?

Anyway, I am sure what you say Moley has a ring of truth about it, but they will have thought all this through  in the business - network planning - operations management, I assume?  I hope not too much credit given here?  That would have been part of the business case.  The fact that the green bird makes some points only shows that Marketing has got ahead of the Engineering.  This is typical of Sales Staff who always sell it before the Engineers have made it!!  Why should this be any different?

You only have to look at the centre of Swindon to see the evidence of good Planning?  I think that Swindon Borough council are the best planners in this country and Wi-fi is a first, which proves they inovative and are creating their road map as they explore new ground amongst the rubble of what has been pulled down.   Making it up as they go along is the way of explorers and adventurers.  The Council cannot empty our Bins when it snows, fill in potholes or the simple tasks of looking after the people of Swindon so planning a network like this  must be asking them  to do a moonshot.

And what will Rod do if the funding for the Regeneration dries up? - oh I guess he could go to Rikki Hunt for a sub!!

And I still can't get rid of Bloody Dell Boy!!!

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the big concern I've got is that I've seen little to suggest much experience in this area - so would be interested how they estimated their costs for the business plan!!  How much of their costs was the hardware (CAPEX) vs how much did they estimate for OPEX, and how experienced are their staff in the technology they are using and jobs they are doing  (if not experienced they may find that it has a big impact on getting the network up and running on time).

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