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Re: Tadpole Farm & Cllr Tomlinson (Formerly Known As 'Neeer')
« Reply #60 on: February 12, 2010, 09:19:38 AM »



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If you do live in the Shaw and Nine Elms area and are keen to sound me out in advance of the May elections then please get in touch to arrange a convenient time.

I don't live in Shaw and 9 Elms but I am keen to sound you out about whether you would vote for Rod Bluh again this May as leader of the council & group?


please keith will you answer the question and  tell us who you will vote for at the leadership election as the tories wiill still have power?

It is jumping the gun a little as we are only 3/4 of the way through the municipal year and the nomination process is a long way off yet. If you canvassed all the Councillors and asked them who was willing to stand as leader at least you would then have a shortlist.
I'll start you off by saying that I won't be.

This is, sadly, just what I would expect from a member of Rod Bluh's Cabinet, but then the good people of Shaw & Nine Elms will make a choice in May just like the good people of Dorcan.  It will be interesting to see how you get on against Doug Stewart from whom you took the seat some four years ago.

Meanwhile will you please answer the question as fto for whom you will be voting as leader in May as it could affect our perception of you.  Ignoring this request is worse than answering it incorrectly.

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Re: Tadpole Farm & Cllr Tomlinson (Formerly Known As 'Neeer')
« Reply #61 on: February 12, 2010, 01:04:51 PM »
This is, sadly, just what I would expect from a member of Rod Bluh's Cabinet, but then the good people of Shaw & Nine Elms will make a choice in May just like the good people of Dorcan.  It will be interesting to see how you get on against Doug Stewart from whom you took the seat some four years ago.

Meanwhile will you please answer the question as fto for whom you will be voting as leader in May as it could affect our perception of you.  Ignoring this request is worse than answering it incorrectly.

Richard you really are a political troll. Earlier on in this thread you asked who was standing in Shaw and Nine Elms, having known full well Doug Stewart was allegedly standing against me as you stated it in a previous thread elsewhere.

I'm a reasonable person and willing to engage but not be baited for your sport. Triumph and Dick Norman both had the same approach.
I don't know who the candidates are for leader of the Council so I'm not going to make a declaration on a public forum. If that effects your opinion of me then I'm afraid that is who I am. I would hope people judge me more on my involvement with the community and what I have achieved locally.
Last May Rod's leadership was uncontested, nobody has said they are going to stand against him as far as I am aware.

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Re: Tadpole Farm & Cllr Tomlinson (Formerly Known As 'Neeer')
« Reply #62 on: February 12, 2010, 07:22:37 PM »
Mellon,
 dont want to stand up for Justin, as Im sure he has a solid back to do that himself, but your early question says why didnt the swindon north MP attend the meeting, since when is Justin the swindon north MP (Yet)?..

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Re: Tadpole Farm & Cllr Tomlinson (Formerly Known As 'Neeer')
« Reply #63 on: February 12, 2010, 08:19:35 PM »
This is, sadly, just what I would expect from a member of Rod Bluh's Cabinet, but then the good people of Shaw & Nine Elms will make a choice in May just like the good people of Dorcan.  It will be interesting to see how you get on against Doug Stewart from whom you took the seat some four years ago.

Meanwhile will you please answer the question as fto for whom you will be voting as leader in May as it could affect our perception of you.  Ignoring this request is worse than answering it incorrectly.

Richard you really are a political troll. Earlier on in this thread you asked who was standing in Shaw and Nine Elms, having known full well Doug Stewart was allegedly standing against me as you stated it in a previous thread elsewhere.

I'm a reasonable person and willing to engage but not be baited for your sport. Triumph and Dick Norman both had the same approach.
I don't know who the candidates are for leader of the Council so I'm not going to make a declaration on a public forum. If that effects your opinion of me then I'm afraid that is who I am. I would hope people judge me more on my involvement with the community and what I have achieved locally.
Last May Rod's leadership was uncontested, nobody has said they are going to stand against him as far as I am aware.

Regardless of what you or I or anyone else who happens to be reading this thinks of cllr Bluh, I think cllr Keith's reply is entirely reasonable. If no candidates for the leadership of SBC have declared themselves, how can he possibly say who he intends to vote for?
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Re: Tadpole Farm & Cllr Tomlinson (Formerly Known As 'Neeer')
« Reply #64 on: February 12, 2010, 10:17:47 PM »
This is, sadly, just what I would expect from a member of Rod Bluh's Cabinet, but then the good people of Shaw & Nine Elms will make a choice in May just like the good people of Dorcan.  It will be interesting to see how you get on against Doug Stewart from whom you took the seat some four years ago.

Meanwhile will you please answer the question as fto for whom you will be voting as leader in May as it could affect our perception of you.  Ignoring this request is worse than answering it incorrectly.

Richard you really are a political troll. Earlier on in this thread you asked who was standing in Shaw and Nine Elms, having known full well Doug Stewart was allegedly standing against me as you stated it in a previous thread elsewhere.

I'm a reasonable person and willing to engage but not be baited for your sport. Triumph and Dick Norman both had the same approach.
I don't know who the candidates are for leader of the Council so I'm not going to make a declaration on a public forum. If that effects your opinion of me then I'm afraid that is who I am. I would hope people judge me more on my involvement with the community and what I have achieved locally.
Last May Rod's leadership was uncontested, nobody has said they are going to stand against him as far as I am aware.


Keith,

I can only say that Triumph and Dick Norman must also have seen through your flimsy approach to being a conviction politician.  I am far from being a political Troll but I am a voter who expects the politicians that I vote for to act honestly and lead by example and get things done.  What work have you done to be so proud?  I take offence to being accused of baiting you for sport.  Politics is a rough trade, take it personally and you are not up to the cut and thrust, not my words but those of Sir David Trimble.  Political Troll, well if repeating a question that is important to potential voters makes me one then I am one, but better than being a wet politician.

I do hope that Doug Stewart does stand along with a good LIb-dem and a Labour Candidate.  Enjoy your fools paradise of arrogant Conservatism on this council because your time is up and who leads this town is important to me if it isn't to you.

Simon,

Rod Bluh has to be elected this May, if he is not  I have been told that keith will cozy up to Nick Martin whose position he took in Cabinet.  Politics is a rough game just ask Nick Martin who lost out to Keith by being sacked by Rod Bluh for his own reasons, probably because he would have asked too many questions about Wi-fi and Swindon commercial Services and various other things which concern contributors to this forum.

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Re: Tadpole Farm & Cllr Tomlinson (Formerly Known As 'Neeer')
« Reply #65 on: February 12, 2010, 10:44:50 PM »
This is, sadly, just what I would expect from a member of Rod Bluh's Cabinet, but then the good people of Shaw & Nine Elms will make a choice in May just like the good people of Dorcan.  It will be interesting to see how you get on against Doug Stewart from whom you took the seat some four years ago.

Meanwhile will you please answer the question as fto for whom you will be voting as leader in May as it could affect our perception of you.  Ignoring this request is worse than answering it incorrectly.

Richard you really are a political troll. Earlier on in this thread you asked who was standing in Shaw and Nine Elms, having known full well Doug Stewart was allegedly standing against me as you stated it in a previous thread elsewhere.

I'm a reasonable person and willing to engage but not be baited for your sport. Triumph and Dick Norman both had the same approach.
I don't know who the candidates are for leader of the Council so I'm not going to make a declaration on a public forum. If that effects your opinion of me then I'm afraid that is who I am. I would hope people judge me more on my involvement with the community and what I have achieved locally.
Last May Rod's leadership was uncontested, nobody has said they are going to stand against him as far as I am aware.


Keith,

I can only say that Triumph and Dick Norman must also have seen through your flimsy approach to being a conviction politician.  I am far from being a political Troll but I am a voter who expects the politicians that I vote for to act honestly and lead by example and get things done.  What work have you done to be so proud?  I take offence to being accused of baiting you for sport.  Politics is a rough trade, take it personally and you are not up to the cut and thrust, not my words but those of Sir David Trimble.  Political Troll, well if repeating a question that is important to potential voters makes me one then I am one, but better than being a wet politician.

I do hope that Doug Stewart does stand along with a good LIb-dem and a Labour Candidate.  Enjoy your fools paradise of arrogant Conservatism on this council because your time is up and who leads this town is important to me if it isn't to you.

Simon,

Rod Bluh has to be elected this May, if he is not  I have been told that keith will cozy up to Nick Martin whose position he took in Cabinet.  Politics is a rough game just ask Nick Martin who lost out to Keith by being sacked by Rod Bluh for his own reasons, probably because he would have asked too many questions about Wi-fi and Swindon commercial Services and various other things which concern contributors to this forum.

Richard, I'm sure your connections are impeccable but  I think the tone of your comments say more about you than it does about me.
I'm not in this for an ego trip but out of a genuine desire to serve my community and Swindon as a whole. If you personally are not happy with that then I would prefer you not to vote for me and leave it at that.

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Re: Tadpole Farm & Cllr Tomlinson (Formerly Known As 'Neeer')
« Reply #66 on: February 12, 2010, 11:04:20 PM »
Keith,

Sadly you are like the fresh face of Conservatism.  For some charasmatic, for others the new saviour occasionally an alternative, but always without substance.  I do not wish you luck in your election as I would want someone who does not support Rod Bluh.  He is leading this town to oblivion and what part do you intend to play in his downfall?

and by the way your connections are not as impeccable as you claim as you are not in the gang of four, Cabinet (Cabinet within Cabinet) known to us as the Kitchen Cabinet.

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« Reply #67 on: February 12, 2010, 11:25:10 PM »
I guess I'd ask a different question - because maybe nobody else would like the leaders' job!

Would anyone involved in the Conservative group on the council acknowledge that there is significant concern in the wider community about some recent decisions and the lack of transparency in how they've been taken.   Would anyone like to make any suggestions about how to do things better in future (irrespective of who ends up in leadership roles).

Examples of what I'm personally concerned about are:

- wasting money on white elephant projects (e.g. Wharf Green, the canal proposals) whilst more obvious and valuable regeneration projects go belly up (doesn't feel at all dissimilar to what the central Conservative party accuse the current government of)
- perceptions that sometimes due diligence may not have been done in some recent council investments (wifi)
- whether money spent on Big Weekend was good value for money in the current downturn
- concern in the wider community that some names seem to keep occurring in connection with council associated projects -  people wonder if this indicates any lack of transparency and people in other local companies wonder what they have to do to get local business.
- handling of single status (note I'm not a council employee but have heard rumblings from people I know who are)

I'm sure others could add to the list... what I haven't seen is any kind of "it's a fair cop guv, we need to learn lessons, we're going to do X differently in future" message...

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Re: Tadpole Farm & Cllr Tomlinson (Formerly Known As 'Neeer')
« Reply #68 on: February 13, 2010, 09:17:42 AM »
Moley

There are always politicians that want to be leader, there are those that say no not me no interest in being leader. There are those that say they would only be leader if dragged to it and for some it is a life long search for the holy grail of politics. All leaderships start with a fanfare and most end in tradegy the tragic circumstances remembered in living memory often outweigh the good time. Fortunately historians get their golden pens out, put on their rose tinted spectacles and then write of the halcyon days of their chosen subjects. They occaisionally throw in a few warts for good measure to show a balanced approach.

All leaders want a legacy and that the future is not cruel to their memory. Fair cop gov!  ;)
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« Reply #69 on: February 13, 2010, 05:34:14 PM »
Sorry kohima, my research was not correct, you are quite right.

Mr Tomlinson as you said you were not allocated to the meeting, this is happening in your constituency are you implying that you are indeed under instruction not to attend meetings?? If not, it seems (to me at least) that you have put your hands up and said "nothing to do with me" then walked away.
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« Reply #70 on: February 13, 2010, 06:27:36 PM »
Ah, the old 'Not me Guv', the force is strong in this one.

When my phone doesn't work I press the buttons harder and say 'Bollocks'.

P'raps wouldn't have got so many posts though.
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« Reply #71 on: February 15, 2010, 10:38:36 AM »

If not, it seems (to me at least) that you have put your hands up and said "nothing to do with me" then walked away.

Not at all I am working very hard with the Redhouse Residents Association on this very issue, for which I have been keeping the local residents updating through my monthly articles and the residents meetings.

The developers have been given a crystal clear message what we as local residents would find acceptable and if they choose to not deliver on this, then we, led myself will campaign every inch of the way against this.


The work of the Redhouse Residents Association with me on this has been excellent.

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« Reply #72 on: February 19, 2010, 07:55:26 PM »
so what is this crystal clear message?
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« Reply #73 on: February 21, 2010, 08:17:02 PM »
ooo i just read something interesting on the adver site posted by I Too

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"The Conservatives might say that they will rid us of the Regional Spatial Strategies, but they'll quickly remember that it,s their own, Conservative members / councillors, that sit at the helm of these organisations.
Spin Spin Spin."

any comments?
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« Reply #74 on: February 24, 2010, 09:52:26 PM »
Your being very quiet Mr Tomlinson, are you going to tell me what this crystal clear message is? or am i going to have to directly contact Crest Nicholson for an answer?

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« Reply #75 on: February 24, 2010, 10:25:52 PM »
Your being very quiet Mr Tomlinson, are you going to tell me what this crystal clear message is? or am i going to have to directly contact Crest Nicholson for an answer?

Would be interesting to work out when one of the Conservative Councillors last posted on here..... i know that several do, but they've all been very quiet recently (especially with some of the topics being discussed).

Or maybe I'm just imagining it?

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« Reply #76 on: February 24, 2010, 10:35:07 PM »
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Would be interesting to work out when one of the Conservative Councillors last posted on here.....

At least they do albeit once in a while! unlike the labour party
 

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« Reply #77 on: February 24, 2010, 10:47:11 PM »
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Would be interesting to work out when one of the Conservative Councillors last posted on here.....

At least they do albeit once in a while! unlike the labour party

Agreed - except that in the last week or so it has seemed very .... quiet.

Councillors I've noticed stuff from are Steve Wakefield and Dave Woods, plus prospective candidates like Andy.  This despite the fact that a lot of the discussion has actually been about the current conduct of the local administration, the budget etc.

Has a whip been imposed?

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« Reply #78 on: February 25, 2010, 08:44:14 AM »
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Would be interesting to work out when one of the Conservative Councillors last posted on here.....

At least they do albeit once in a while! unlike the labour party

Agreed - except that in the last week or so it has seemed very .... quiet.

Councillors I've noticed stuff from are Steve Wakefield and Dave Woods, plus prospective candidates like Andy.  This despite the fact that a lot of the discussion has actually been about the current conduct of the local administration, the budget etc.

Has a whip been imposed?

What do you think? It is clear that their ability willingness to engage is for some is akin to one of those cluster information type meetings rather than a forum like some cluster meetings I can mention. The level of debate on TS is higher than any other taking place, in Swindon.

Yes some may say JT has been quiet here on this thread, is it no different than on the Northview thread? Since the story broke bullybolloxgate or what ever you care to tag it as; JT has been quiet but it is coincidental, why has  JT has been quiet since Monday night ? Maybe or DID something happen to him at group meeting before budget council meeting? Democracy is a funny old game. He did not contribute in his usual interesting way on Monday night at budget setting, most unlike him.

I think Bob talking of an emphatic whatever  and having an email? Is interesting as I am not aware that  Conservatives Swindon have made any comment. Yes Geoff your information appears to be in the ball park the story is dead. UKIP rep in south Swindon may have been the giant killer or maybe it is all just wishful thinking and it is all after all  been another storm in a shot glass teacup?

Here is another emphatic denial to ponder no politician except those contributing here  in the threads ever read talkswindon or contribute to it even by 3rd party emails. Note to admin flying pig icon long overdue ::)

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« Reply #79 on: February 25, 2010, 09:48:06 AM »
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Would be interesting to work out when one of the Conservative Councillors last posted on here.....

At least they do albeit once in a while! unlike the labour party

Agreed - except that in the last week or so it has seemed very .... quiet.

Councillors I've noticed stuff from are Steve Wakefield and Dave Woods, plus prospective candidates like Andy.  This despite the fact that a lot of the discussion has actually been about the current conduct of the local administration, the budget etc.

Has a whip been imposed?

What do you think? It is clear that their ability willingness to engage is for some is akin to one of those cluster information type meetings rather than a forum like some cluster meetings I can mention. The level of debate on TS is higher than any other taking place, in Swindon.

Yes some may say JT has been quiet here on this thread, is it no different than on the Northview thread? Since the story broke bullybolloxgate or what ever you care to tag it as; JT has been quiet but it is coincidental, why has  JT has been quiet since Monday night ? Maybe or DID something happen to him at group meeting before budget council meeting? Democracy is a funny old game. He did not contribute in his usual interesting way on Monday night at budget setting, most unlike him.

I think Bob talking of an emphatic whatever  and having an email? Is interesting as I am not aware that  Conservatives Swindon have made any comment. Yes Geoff your information appears to be in the ball park the story is dead. UKIP rep in south Swindon may have been the giant killer or maybe it is all just wishful thinking and it is all after all  been another storm in a shot glass teacup?

Here is another emphatic denial to ponder no politician except those contributing here  in the threads ever read talkswindon or contribute to it even by 3rd party emails. Note to admin flying pig icon long overdue ::)

Could it just be Steve that TS has lost it's appeal for some. Oh by the way I never said the email came from Conservatives Swindon.