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Offline Karsten

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Re: Recycling - Council Meeting
« Reply #100 on: March 14, 2011, 02:07:29 AM »
For every action there is a reaction..
But then there is also the butterfly effect..

Particles from planes have contributed to a Global dimming/cooling effect and this effect has increased over the last 50 years and is proved by the records of Pan Evaporation rates which are decreasing year on year.

But and a big BUT, plane exhaust gases contribute to the Greenhouse effect to a bigger degree than the particles contribute to the Earth cooling effect.
So the large amount of plane traffic does hasten the Global warming that IS happening!
It isn't the warming that really is the problem, but rather the fact that heat isn't being let in and isn't being let out.
The poles are shrinking and there fore reflecting less heat, so they are warming even more.
The seas aren't evaporating as much as before, so producing less rain clouds.
.... and so on.
The weather systems like the gulf jet stream and the deep ocean river systems are faltering and eco systems like the water under the South Pole are heating up.

There is not just one or two things that are wrong, but a whole series of things happening at once, which are directly and indirectly caused by human developments.

After 1816 and the worlds largest volcano explosion in recent history, the worlds population was severely reduced by global dimming/cooling.  This is known as "The year without a summer".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_Without_a_Summer

Just after 9/11 the average temp went up just 1'C as the atmosphere cleared up due to few planes flying and more of the sun's warmth got thru, but night temp.s also dropped as more warmth was lost at night.

I'm not so sure that Global warming is not possible to control. Perhaps not with each and every country doing it's own version of 'nuthin'.

When the North sea undercurrent slows too much, it might become an opportunity to build a huge ocean thermal difference power plant where the North ice cap used to be.   It would need to be a multi country/continent effort.
I don't see anything happening for few decades yet though.
The UN isn't exactly value for money.  Nor is the EEC. :coolsmiley:


What might hasten things along is what is happening to Japan.
Building nuclear power plants on Earth Quake fault line to me is insane, but how else was Japan to get cheap power?
The sting would be if there is a Chernobyl like meltdown.
In the end of WWII Japan used the jet stream to send fire bombs via balloon to the US in just 3 days.
A meltdown in Japan will affect the whole world not just Japan.

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Re: Recycling - Council Meeting
« Reply #101 on: March 14, 2011, 09:34:42 PM »
I'll see your

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire_balloon

and raise you

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bat_bomb

which isn't very nice is it?

But all is not lost, dust this off and it's happy days

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tupolev_Tu-119

I can't find much serious stuff about properly green commercial vehicles, no LGV Prius derivative if you will. I may be wrong but wouldn't the big commercial stuff be the place to start, ships, planes, trains and LGV's.

Very lean pickings, I was honestly surprised.
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