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« Reply #200 on: June 24, 2011, 10:55:08 AM »
Until a judgement is made against Forefront, is it appropriate for the council to be engaging in these sorts of discussions openly? It's a bit prejudicial if you ask me.

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« Reply #201 on: June 27, 2011, 10:47:05 PM »
Des

Well said  Hampton Court was restored in the during the 1980s using money from the Manpower commission people were given jobs to do the work and it became a great skills base and place for learning. Money well spent perhaps Garry Perkins can set up a similar scheme for unemployed young people in Swindon?

Isn't this a bit too innovative for Swindon Ringer? 

Even if it would be a help to those youngsters.

Far too Socialist for this administration surely?
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« Reply #202 on: July 09, 2011, 12:01:31 PM »
Daniel, yet again the trust lets itself down. "a full conservation survey has not yet been undertaken"

How on earth can anyone take the trust seriously.

The Council will not recover any money from Forward estates, but they will not get their hands on the building without a fight with HSBC. A fight they will not in all probability win.

Get me access to the building and a conservation survey can be undertaken.

Have you actually asked the Council for access to do your Conservation Study, Daniel?

They would have to be extremely inconsiderate and perverse to deny you and for that matter us, their bankers!!

and furthermore they need to know what they are up against don't they?

or do they have Another Agenda, we haven't thought of?
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Re: Mechanics Institute - Just what is going on??
« Reply #203 on: July 10, 2011, 09:45:01 AM »
"or do they have Another Agenda, we haven't thought of?"

Interesting question Richard.
Their is a "Community Fair" at The Parade, 17th July 11:00am to 4:00pm.
Same time as Mechanics' Children's Fete?
Pure coincidence or deliberate distraction?
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Re: Mechanics Institute - Just what is going on??
« Reply #204 on: July 11, 2011, 01:28:48 PM »
Daniel, yet again the trust lets itself down. "a full conservation survey has not yet been undertaken"

How on earth can anyone take the trust seriously.

The Council will not recover any money from Forward estates, but they will not get their hands on the building without a fight with HSBC. A fight they will not in all probability win.

Get me access to the building and a conservation survey can be undertaken.

Have you actually asked the Council for access to do your Conservation Study, Daniel?

They would have to be extremely inconsiderate and perverse to deny you and for that matter us, their bankers!!

and furthermore they need to know what they are up against don't they?

or do they have Another Agenda, we haven't thought of?

A formal request to the Council has not been made since the finalisation of the urgent works and the Trust is consulting with conservation and other colleagues about the next steps now. However following a recent positive meeting brought together by Robert Buckland MP and myself there was a common desire between the stakeholders (who have all had a lack of access on-site) in the room to arrange access and this is being followed up.

As for "another agenda" as you suggest, I don't know.

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« Reply #205 on: July 11, 2011, 07:06:57 PM »
Common desire of stakeholders is a phrase that gives me goosebumps of fear, dunno why, p'raps I'm a cynical Luddite Philistine with an aversion to overtly weird language.

I reckon a wrecking ball and £130k of alpines is looking increasingly likely solution.

There's never been a worse time to be decrepit for people or buildings.
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« Reply #206 on: July 11, 2011, 08:01:49 PM »
Or maybe there’s a plan B on the councils agenda

https://ww5.swindon.gov.uk/moderngov/mgConvert2PDF.aspx?ID=4996&T=10&J=5

Pages 28/29

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« Reply #207 on: July 11, 2011, 10:36:06 PM »
Or maybe there’s a plan B on the councils agenda

https://ww5.swindon.gov.uk/moderngov/mgConvert2PDF.aspx?ID=4996&T=10&J=5

Pages 28/29

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Is the Princes Regeneration Trust one of your stakeholders Daniel?

and if not what guarantees have you received that you will not be ignored?
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Re: Mechanics Institute - Just what is going on??
« Reply #208 on: July 11, 2011, 11:05:08 PM »
Until a judgement is made against Forefront, is it appropriate for the council to be engaging in these sorts of discussions openly? It's a bit prejudicial if you ask me.
Mmm what with the wifi and all that inn it!
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« Reply #209 on: July 12, 2011, 06:31:35 AM »
Until a judgement is made against Forefront, is it appropriate for the council to be engaging in these sorts of discussions openly? It's a bit prejudicial if you ask me.
Mmm what with the wifi and all that inn it!

Maybe it's a special offer? Bail out Wi-Fi and get the Mechanics for free...

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« Reply #210 on: July 12, 2011, 09:17:52 AM »
Or maybe there’s a plan B on the councils agenda

https://ww5.swindon.gov.uk/moderngov/mgConvert2PDF.aspx?ID=4996&T=10&J=5

Pages 28/29

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Is the Princes Regeneration Trust one of your stakeholders Daniel?

and if not what guarantees have you received that you will not be ignored?

Well my gut feeling is they haven't been told they will be ignored, so are assuming they will be listened to.  :-\

A question has just popped into my head - does the MI Trust know the difference between feasible and viable?

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Re: Mechanics Institute - Just what is going on??
« Reply #211 on: July 12, 2011, 11:13:56 AM »
Lovin' it Richard  : "what guarantees have you received that you will not be ignored"

one of life's big questions we might all well ask

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Re: Mechanics Institute - Just what is going on??
« Reply #212 on: July 12, 2011, 11:55:10 AM »
Or maybe there’s a plan B on the councils agenda

https://ww5.swindon.gov.uk/moderngov/mgConvert2PDF.aspx?ID=4996&T=10&J=5

Pages 28/29

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Is the Princes Regeneration Trust one of your stakeholders Daniel?

and if not what guarantees have you received that you will not be ignored?

Couple of answers:
The Princes Regeneration Trust (PRT) were not part of the meeting I mentioned specifically.
I have met with the Princes Regeneration Trust some time ago regarding the work they were undertaking (the meeting was fairly positive and we shared some common ground). I've asked SBC several times for a copy of the report produced but it has not been forthcoming. I set out my feelings about the role of the PRT at Scrutiny (my notes from that evening are available via a link posted previously).

Guarantees from SBC are hard to come by at the best of times and in my experience are worth little when you do get them. We just have to continue pushing on and building good relationships with the other stakeholders involved to force greater influence. 

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Re: Mechanics Institute - Just what is going on??
« Reply #213 on: July 12, 2011, 11:56:48 AM »
Or maybe there’s a plan B on the councils agenda

https://ww5.swindon.gov.uk/moderngov/mgConvert2PDF.aspx?ID=4996&T=10&J=5

Pages 28/29

 :wink:

Is the Princes Regeneration Trust one of your stakeholders Daniel?

and if not what guarantees have you received that you will not be ignored?

Well my gut feeling is they haven't been told they will be ignored, so are assuming they will be listened to.  :-\

A question has just popped into my head - does the MI Trust know the difference between feasible and viable?

Yes the Trust does understand the difference.

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« Reply #214 on: July 13, 2011, 12:27:29 AM »
"or do they have Another Agenda, we haven't thought of?"

Interesting question Richard.
Their is a "Community Fair" at The Parade, 17th July 11:00am to 4:00pm.
Same time as Mechanics' Children's Fete?
Pure coincidence or deliberate distraction?

Last year I was a member of the Committee organising the Children's Fete but resigned immediately afterwards because of the roller coaster way in which we had conducted our business.  This was something I was in no position to influence or change.  One month beforehand we were still glibly proceeding with arrangements with absolutely no money to pay for them and one week before the event had not done any of the health and safety assessment requirements and the council were, legitimately, refusing to allow us to proceed with it.  Had Councillor Bob Wright not come forward to help at the eleventh hour it would have been cancelled.

I have been completely unaware that it was even going to take place this year and so was a Councillor with whom I discussed it today.  Although I resigned from the committee I still offered help on the day but as I had no knowledge of it am now otherwise committed.  Also there is absolutely no evidence of any promotion whatsoever and raises the question as to how the Trust could actually handle £25m worth of restoration if it cannot promote a simple fete?

On this basis is it understandable that the Council do not take the Trust seriously?
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« Reply #215 on: July 13, 2011, 06:26:09 AM »
Is it definitely on the 17th, as the Trust's website doesn't give a date... It was the 17th last year... is it going ahead at all?

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« Reply #216 on: July 13, 2011, 08:28:41 AM »
This was sent to a list of supporters this week and another due to follow to those remaining (Richard I would imagine you are on that list).

Richard I don't think your comments are fair or reflect the whole picture and chucking such comments around hardly helps. I don't want to have a debate about it as I think there are bigger, more important issues which I'm sure you would agree.

Dear supporter,

The historic Children's Fete that takes place in the GWR Park and organised by The Mechanics’ Institution Trust will not take place this year.

It is with a heavy heart that the Trust has decided not to run the Fete in 2011. This is due to the demanding nature of other work we are undertaking and the serious illness of several key organisers involved.

As you may be aware we are balancing a range of different priorities, including the issues surrounding the Institution building itself, and want to be careful not to spread ourselves too thin at this crucial stage.

The Trust is planning to make the Children’s Fete in 2012 the best one to date.

I would like to thank you for expressing an interest this year and I hope you can join us for 2012.

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« Reply #217 on: July 13, 2011, 08:34:02 AM »
"Also there is absolutely no evidence of any promotion whatsoever and raises the question as to how the Trust could actually handle £25m worth of restoration if it cannot promote a simple fete?

On this basis is it understandable that the Council do not take the Trust seriously?"

You hit the nail firmly on the head there Richard.

Whilst no-one doubts the sincerity of the trust's aims, NO-ONE can take them seriously.
The best thing the trust can do for Swindon is disband.

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« Reply #218 on: July 13, 2011, 09:36:06 AM »
Whilst no-one doubts the sincerity of the trust's aims, NO-ONE can take them seriously.

I agree entirely, but in not pursuing the Fete the Trust has lost yet another fund raising opportunity and furthermore it will be difficult to interest anybody next year.  It is very easy to turn the tap off but difficult to turn it on again.  Surely they have sufficient resources to organise one, but then who else walked away like me and please accept Daniel that despite my frustration I stayed on until after the event had taken place and I worked at it.

Sadly, the only conclusion that can be deduced from this is that whatever happens now will not include the Trust other than in an advisory capacity and then if they become a pain even that will be denied them.
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Re: Mechanics Institute - Just what is going on??
« Reply #219 on: July 13, 2011, 12:52:53 PM »
Richard.
If Daniel lets you play with his football can you make up as friends again?

I also helped on the committee and the running of the fete.
Yes it was a bumpy ride and yes many thanks to Bob Wright.

However I am able to see beyond personal differences for the good of the towns' heritage and community.

I will be offering my services again in 2012
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