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Re: Residents' parking permits set to rise
« Reply #60 on: March 18, 2009, 07:30:36 PM »
Surely that's a bit questionable and there is a documented audit trail wossname.
Sometimes I think you have to march right in and demand your rights, even if you don’t know what your rights are, or who the person is you’re talking to. Then, on the way out, slam the door.

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Re: Residents' parking permits set to rise
« Reply #61 on: March 18, 2009, 11:08:11 PM »
Surely that's a bit questionable and there is a documented audit trail wossname.

Indeed.  Such 'errors' can go unnoticed until it's 'too late' alas.  Luckily I found out and reported it so, optimistically, all should be well on that front anyway...

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Re: Residents' parking permits set to rise
« Reply #62 on: March 19, 2009, 02:52:47 PM »
Page 43 Swindon Advertiser - big notice Resident's parking fee's increasing on 1st June 2009.

Is that what Swindon Borough Council call's consultation.  I know from the SSP conference SBC are happy to consult with 2% of the Borough - or in the case of residents parking - no consultation at all.

Will go and calm down now - or may print something that may offend  :uglystupid2:

Will email Mr Edwards in the meantime.

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Re: Residents' parking permits set to rise
« Reply #63 on: March 19, 2009, 07:17:07 PM »
Someone's arse wants kicking and that's a fact.

Local government really is pisspoor isn't it, the broon disease knows no party boundaries, his cretinous twisting of truth, lack of empathy, nose for revenue streams, sheer ineptitude and I don't give a sh1t and I don't care approach is spawning all kinds of imitators. Big government has lowered the bar and local government is determined to find ways to slither under it.

Public servant now has the same twisted meaning as fireman in Fahrenheit 451 (if I remember it correctly, if not ignore that analogy, metaphor or whatever the flip it is)

Mr Edwards' dribblings mark him out as a keen exponent, an offensive ignorance of the facts delivered with a steely resolve and complete lack of engagement with those affected. Twit. Wonder if he's on the pension scheme.

Is that offensive enough, who can I shout at, I fancy a row and will show an equal disdain for reality.

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Re: Residents' parking permits set to rise
« Reply #64 on: March 22, 2009, 09:24:44 PM »
Incredibly a one page explanation for the proposed rise has been circulated.

Doesn't make it accurate, but it's a start.

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CAR PARKING – RESIDENTS PARKING ACCOUNT

The Council operates an integrated parking service with the parking inspectors, admin support and other resources serving a number of individual car parking front line service areas:
•   On Street parking (metered and free parking on streets, where allowed)
•   Off Street Parking (multi storey and surface level car parks)
•   Residents Parking (issuing of permits and enforcement of all zones)
•   Non fee Car Parks

Within the Councils accounting structures, we have separate accounts (cost centres) for each of the above, with the shared costs (parking inspectors, admin and other similar costs) also accounted in separate accounts. Any costs directly related to one of the service areas are charged to their respective accounts as appropriate (e.g. ‘lift maintenance’ costs are charged to Off Street accounts – as they relate to multi storey car parks only) and shared costs (e.g. car park inspectors, management and admin staff – who work across the whole operation)  are charged to their accounts.

For the purposes of identifying the full costs of the 4 front line service areas; we apportion out the shared car parking costs across the areas. The largest costs to apportion are the Parking Inspectors and Parking Admin.

In addition to the car parking service costs, we also apportion the Group Directorate and Councils Corporate costs across all the services in Environment and Regeneration.   

This structure and apportionment of costs to front line service areas follows generally accepted accounting principles. 

How shared costs are apportioned

Prior to 2007/08, the shared costs were apportioned on the basis of the income generated in each of the service areas. This resulted in the lion’s share of these costs being apportioned to Off Street Car Parks as the multi storey car parks generated the vast majority of income in percentage terms across the whole operation.

In 2007/08, an exercise to identify how the parking inspectors, management and Admin spent their time over the 4 areas was completed by the parking management team. This resulted in a different and more accurate apportionment of these costs and since 2007/08, we have used this new method in reporting car parking accounts. This resulted in less costs being charged to Off Street Parking and increases in the other 3 areas. For the Residents Parking service area – it changed the account from profit making to loss making.

Residents Parking

We have prepared the accounts for the residents parking area, on the basis of the revised apportionment methods to the 05/06 and 06/07 accounts and shown these together with 07/08 and 08/09 budgets. These show that the area is being subsidised, albeit at a lowering rate due to on–going efficiencies in the car parking operation and better PCN income generation in residents area specifically.
 
Excluding Group Directorate and Corporate overheads, the budgeted net cost in 2008/09  is £117k; and £238k with these overheads. The price increases are predicted to generate approx. £150k. 

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Re: Residents' parking permits set to rise
« Reply #65 on: March 22, 2009, 10:28:48 PM »
I think that's called sharp practice isn't it?

If I interpret it correctly residents will now pay a proportion of the costs for the maintenance of multi storey car parks (but not lifts), parking meter provision, including the new spanky ones lined up for Commercial Road and a little snippet of everything else. A truly democratic parking tax.

Course I'm a bit curious as to quite how objective the exercise to identify how the parking inspectors, management and Admin spent their time over the 4 areas was completed by the parking management team was, and also moderately curious as to how the previous accounting methods used by this self same authority are now fallen into disrepute.

I am also moderately curious as to how come supplying the same thing to the same number of people year after year is suddenly so f*cking expensive.

Bean counters dirty tricks, I expect some arse will be kicked and the whole flimsy charade will be exposed for the barely legal chicanery it is any day now, won't it?
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Re: Residents' parking permits set to rise
« Reply #66 on: March 22, 2009, 10:52:06 PM »
Course I'm a bit curious as to quite how objective the exercise to identify how the parking inspectors, management and Admin spent their time over the 4 areas was completed by the parking management team was, and also moderately curious as to how the previous accounting methods used by this self same authority are now fallen into disrepute.

That's the $64,000 question right there.  In assessing objectivity you really need to speak to the people who conducted the study and, even better, look at the raw data.  In a highly unfortunate turn of events, neither of these things is possible.

Bean counters dirty tricks, I expect some arse will be kicked and the whole flimsy charade will be exposed for the barely legal chicanery it is any day now, won't it?

I hope so, but the administration's fudging ability is second to night.  We'll know come Tuesday anyway.

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Re: Residents' parking permits set to rise
« Reply #67 on: March 22, 2009, 11:49:03 PM »
 
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we have used this new method in reporting car parking accounts. This resulted in less costs being charged to Off Street Parking and increases in the other 3 areas. For the Residents Parking service area – it changed the account from profit making to loss making.

 
Bwahahahahahaaaa.......... ;D ;D ;D


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« Reply #68 on: April 21, 2009, 09:56:16 AM »
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I hope so, but the administration's fudging ability is second to night.  We'll know come Tuesday anyway.

I assume that we know now...?

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Re: Residents' parking permits set to rise
« Reply #69 on: April 21, 2009, 11:17:25 AM »

Kecl, Alligator and Karen Leakey are better informed than most on residents parking....and should soon be able to give you an accurate overview of the latest chicanery.

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Re: Residents' parking permits set to rise
« Reply #70 on: April 21, 2009, 03:18:37 PM »
Indeed. Just waiting for a response to my FOI request.  Hopefully this will shed some light on what has happened.

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Re: Residents' parking permits set to rise
« Reply #71 on: April 21, 2009, 05:23:46 PM »
Will someone be asking if the councillors will have to pay on sunday's for the parking spaces at the euclid street car park or are they special cases?. They surely dont have any council business to do on a Sunday. :knuppel2:

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Re: Residents' parking permits set to rise
« Reply #72 on: April 21, 2009, 08:53:20 PM »
They are special.

Very, very special.
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Re: Residents' parking permits set to rise
« Reply #73 on: April 21, 2009, 10:18:54 PM »
Well does the Cllrs Allowance cover parking ?????

I just wondered  ;D
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Re: Residents' parking permits set to rise
« Reply #74 on: April 22, 2009, 03:55:16 PM »
When a Councillor is on duty and has to use a public car park he can claim this amount on his expences.
With regard to parking in the Civic Offices etc. do not begrudge them a few perks after all they will be either in town spending their hard earnt allowances or at football or even in Queens Park removing the graffiti and picking up the broken glass!
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Re: Residents' parking permits set to rise
« Reply #75 on: April 22, 2009, 04:25:48 PM »
So no knowledge out there yet.

Good luck with the FOI.

Sadly I've been unable to follow this argument (and much else on TS) for a while, and am only dipping my toes a little bit now.

But we're now in April and those changes are coming in in a couple of months, with some pretty substantial questions as to the way costs (and presumably income as well) have been apportioned.

I'm not a suspicious man, but the fact that residents parking schemes are not allowed to make a profit, would seem to imply that the only way to use it to help the council with money would be to apportion more costs to it. Which is exactly what has happened.

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Re: Residents' parking permits set to rise
« Reply #76 on: April 22, 2009, 07:12:23 PM »
There is still a dispute about the figures, which has reached a brick wall.  Meaning someone external will have to come in and look at it if any light is really going to be shed.  Any questions anyone has on the suspect figures, just shout.

The Eastcott and Central councillors have come up with an alternative proposal to the way residents parking is run at the moment, to make it a scheme that does right by people and that doesn't need to increase permit costs.  Unfortunately there's just the sticking point that in order to propose an alternative we need to accept these half-baked figures as being true.

We'll know what the state of play is in the coming week, and I'll let you know.


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Re: Residents' parking permits set to rise
« Reply #77 on: April 23, 2009, 10:03:25 AM »
There is still a dispute about the figures, which has reached a brick wall. 

As I understand it, the group director, officers clerks and cabinet members are adamant that they are using very accurate data, hence the brick wall effect and heel's dug into the ground. 

That said, I'm always sceptical when I hear a politician mention 'taxpayers are subsidising this' and 'must raise revenue' in the same sentence, so I hope the various FOI's pull a brick or two out of the brick wall and let us all have a peep in.


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« Reply #78 on: April 23, 2009, 12:35:04 PM »
If they are using very accurate data this year, what were they using the year before that?

Different accountant probably.

Baed on the data available the group director, officers clerks and cabinet members are accountants concerned with balancing budgets. All other actvities are secondary, they may as well be running a doughnut stand for all the specialist skills they bring to bear.

Double speaking deceptive gits. Go flog encyclopedias.
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Re: Residents' parking permits set to rise
« Reply #79 on: April 23, 2009, 12:57:43 PM »
 
Double speaking deceptive gits. Go flog encyclopedias.

It's becoming increasingly difficult to argue against this idea  :)