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Re: Residents' parking permits set to rise
« Reply #20 on: February 10, 2009, 11:01:59 AM »
It's ok, we can all relax O0.

Apparently, far from the proposed price increase being a 'cash cow' it is in fact quite the opposite. It seems the generous chaps at HQ will actually be subsidising the scheme with a £100k injection, even with a £15 increase on a permit. I wonder what effect the other proposed increases will have on that generous £100k helping hand?



Residents Parking - Prices for residents and visitor/business permits have not
increased for many years. The cost of providing this service exceeds the
income it generates. A proposed increase in permit charges of £15 would still
leave the service subsidised to the tune of £100k per annum


Taken from the Revenue Budget 2009-2010 - Appendices 1 to 9  page 10.
 
http://ww2.swindon.gov.uk/moderngov/Published/C00000285/M00003446/AI00014507/RevenueBudget20092010Appendices1to9.pdf

Iwonder what tune they are secretly thinking of?  Money Money Money.......

Personally, whilst thinking about SBC HQ and this issue, the first tune that sprang to mind was that well known Ivor Biggun one  'The Winkers Song'  ;)  ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)

Of course if someone from the said SBC HQ would be kind enough to come on here and give a full financial run down on the income and cost of the scheme and justify things then I might change my tune and find 'Congratulations' a more suitable ditty. But i've no doubt that the need to consider anything by Sir C  :censored: ff will actually not be needed. O0
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Re: Residents' parking permits set to rise
« Reply #21 on: February 10, 2009, 11:19:47 AM »
So the rest of the council tax payers (me included) in Swindon are still subsidising this to the tune of £100k !!

Great ! That really makes me feel better - not !
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Re: Residents' parking permits set to rise
« Reply #22 on: February 10, 2009, 11:43:40 AM »
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So the rest of the council tax payers (me included) in Swindon are still subsidising this to the tune of £100k !!


Except, as I suspect whoever first came up with that cod statistic knows full well,  thats a deliberate misinterpretation - as that 'cost' does not take into consideration the MASSIVE levy/income derrived from the fines issued!

In case anyone has 'conveniently' forgotten - here are the 2006 figures as reported in The Adver - http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/783599.parking_fines_rake_in_2_500_every_day/

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MOTORISTS are being slugged with £2,500 in parking fines every day in Swindon.

Figures revealed to the Adver under Freedom of Information laws show that the council issued more than 41,000 parking fines in the 16 months to May 8.

That's more than 85 fines a day for motorists parking on double lines, failing to pay and display and staying illegally in residents' zones.

In the first four months of this year alone, council parking inspectors have slapped 11,649 motorists with tickets.

That poured £455,965 in to council's parking coffers.

Since 2000, the council has pocketed more than £4.1m in parking fines.


Want more, clear unequivocal figures? OK - lets look at this year:

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TRAFFIC wardens are boosting Swindon Council’s coffers to the tune of £1.1m.

This is the amount of money the council made from parking fines last year.

Figures obtained by the Adver under the Freedom of Information Act show the local authority has doubled the amount of money it makes from people parking illegally since it took over enforcement in 2003.

The seven-figure sum is just part of the £6m the council collected from parking charges and fines last year.

The huge revenues have been described as “deplorable” by one councillor, while the Taxpayers’ Alliance said parking charges were being used increasingly by councils as a cash cow.


Besides, fines aside, if 'administering' a service which revolves printing some residents and some scratchcard visitors permits cannot be met by guaranteed minimum income of £202,497 per annum, then surely somebody somewhere is being grossly incompetant?

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Re: Residents' parking permits set to rise
« Reply #23 on: February 10, 2009, 01:48:30 PM »
The statement in the budget is a misrepresentation of the actual revenue generated when including fines and specifically intended to draw out the same incorrect conclusion that Sasquatch has reached.

I wonder if Peter Greenhaugh has anything to say on this?  I suspect not. After all, he is in no way answerable to the people that this will affect, they can't vote for him, or against him, he was appointed to his post by an unelected leader, who in turn isn't answerable to the people that will be affected by this.  My guess is that they will go and hide, hope the dust settles and that the even greater unpopularity of the other parties will see them through.

I think this will be a huge mistake if the tories stick to this plan, but sadly this will be of no concern to a party that has shown absolutely no desire to represent the people of central Swindon, otherwise they may actually field more than a paper candidate.

I for one, will be watching how all current and aspiring councillors and MPs respond to this before deciding who I will vote for in future.   With no local elections until May 2010, there's a strong chance that the first opportunity the people of Swindon get to respond to this will be the general election....the kick back on this, may just be enough to swing super marginal South Swindon back to Labour at the next election. 

If I were Anne Snelgrove, I would be privately rubbing my hands with glee right now.  What an own goal!

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Re: Residents' parking permits set to rise
« Reply #24 on: February 10, 2009, 02:21:15 PM »
If the people of central Swindon vote on a single issue as this to say who is their MP or councillor then they do not see the bigger plot, to say nothing of previous council tax rises, education standards etc, or the state of the country as a whole, if I was Annie, I would be buying the Guardian every week and plowing throught the jobs, and getting one sorted, ie there is a job in the paper today, I think it is in Gloucester somewhere, where for a wage of £75,000 a year, you will have to go around the bars and drinking habits and eating halls and tell the people inside how good the town really is, and this is for real, you couldnt make it up in elf and safty world of new labour.....
did you read also that Blair, is now down to be the first President of the EU, once they get the irish and the Checks to vote for the new treaty,.......

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Re: Residents' parking permits set to rise
« Reply #25 on: February 10, 2009, 02:31:35 PM »
I don't think the people of central Swindon will vote on a single issue, they just need to look at a catalogue of policies that SBC have dumped on them to see that they aren't being served by the blues any better than the reds.

A few examples include wheelie bins, the redevelopment and the resulting vast expansion of empty building sites on their doorstep and now the tax on parking.

Another aspect is the maths of the election, the central wards may have a proportionately large say in the outcome of the next general election, after all, the blues winning the hearts and minds of the west of the town won't increase their vote count as those areas tend to vote for them anyway, therefore if the blues want to win the seat, they will need the central wards more than they may like to admit.

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Re: Residents' parking permits set to rise
« Reply #26 on: February 10, 2009, 08:40:50 PM »
Fired off bit of an arsehole list of questions to council.

I am going to amuse myself by learning russian while I wait for a reply, or walking to New Orleans, or building a lifesize model of the Hoover Dam with salt grains.

Or trying to identify a political type who still holds the same principles they started out with.
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Re: Residents' parking permits set to rise
« Reply #27 on: February 11, 2009, 06:00:30 PM »
Just done a bit of research into this.

The first budget proposal was put to cabinet on the 10th December 2008

http://www.swindon.gov.uk/cabinetreport10dec2009.pdf   Agenda Item 16 of the report (pages 129 to 200).


This report was put out to public consultation between the 2nd of Dec. and the 6th of Feb.

Consultation report:
http://ww2.swindon.gov.uk/moderngov/Published/C00000285/M00003446/AI00014507/$RevenueBudgetAppendix11BudgetConsultation200910.docA.ps.pdf

Now at some point between the original report and the one being presented to Cabinet this evening, the proposed permit increases were cleverly added under Increases in Income Levels (other than inflationary rises)  and can be found under appendix 3,  link below-

http://ww2.swindon.gov.uk/moderngov/Published/C00000285/M00003446/AI00014507/RevenueBudget20092010Appendices1to9.pdf

So the increase has nothing to do with inflation!

Scout on a bit further, under appendix 4 and the increases have been amazingly and I would suggest deliberately sneaked in under proposed Fees and Charges 2009/10 - Amendments and Omissions from December Report.

Now if you take a look at the small amounts the other amendments and ommisions come to, missing such a f  :censored: ing huge amount of income the first time around  either shows gross incompetence on the part of the financial wizards, a deliberate attempt to avoid loads of objections in the consultation, the sight of some easy £££££ flashing up in front of their eyes or a mix of the last two. What ever it is, and I have my foot firmly placed in the last theory, there is no doubt that someone is seriously taking the piss out of residents that have no choice but to pay to park in the street in the area that they have chosen to live.

It just ain't cricket. :bottom:

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« Reply #28 on: February 11, 2009, 10:09:32 PM »
Well I am amazed that we have come to this!  I honestly never thought I would see a politician like Peter Greehhalgh propose a tax that even Gordon Brown would shy away from!

No doubt he'll actually try to blame Brown for this policy and as much as he and his back scratching mates try to polish this turd of an idea with some prepared statements on the finances, people will know it was him that implemented it and the figures show that it's unnecessary, unfair and just plain wrong.

What next Peter? a tax on lawns or driveways?  Oh no, that would hit the people in your own ward.  You wouldn't go for that now, would you?

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Re: Residents' parking permits set to rise
« Reply #29 on: February 12, 2009, 01:21:21 PM »
Residents Parking - Prices for residents and visitor/business permits have not
increased for many years. The cost of providing this service exceeds the
income it generates. A proposed increase in permit charges of £15 would still
leave the service subsidised to the tune of £100k per annum


Prices....have not increased for many years, that would be since April 2006 then, when they increased by £13 for the first permit. Nearly three years, less than the gap between elections, unfortunately.

Subsidised to the tune of £100k, utter fatuous bollocks.

Someone please tell me who should be directly receiving my correspondence, I feel the need to reach out to my council.
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Re: Residents' parking permits set to rise
« Reply #30 on: February 12, 2009, 01:41:07 PM »
That person Mart I guess has to be the previously esteemed Peter G.

Personally, I'm really disappointed, as I'd always seen him as a straight talking guy.

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Residents Parking - Prices for residents and visitor/business permits have not
increased for many years. The cost of providing this service exceeds the
income it generates. A proposed increase in permit charges of £15 would still
leave the service subsidised to the tune of £100k per annum

We need him to try and defend this 'conclusion' in the light of the widely publicised MASSIVE income from fines (if he can...)
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Re: Peter's Parking Tax
« Reply #31 on: February 12, 2009, 02:35:22 PM »
Well I am amazed that we have come to this!  I honestly never thought I would see a politician like Peter Greehhalgh propose a tax that even Gordon Brown would shy away from!

No doubt he'll actually try to blame Brown for this policy and as much as he and his back scratching mates try to polish this turd of an idea with some prepared statements on the finances, people will know it was him that implemented it and the figures show that it's unnecessary, unfair and just plain wrong.

What next Peter? a tax on lawns or driveways?  Oh no, that would hit the people in your own ward.  You wouldn't go for that now, would you?
I agree.

Roads are for driving, not parking. Double yellow lines down both sides of Eastcott Hill, Goddard Avenue, Kingshill Road please. Keep Swindon's traffic moving.

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Re: Residents' parking permits set to rise
« Reply #32 on: February 12, 2009, 04:29:51 PM »
YAWN...

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I agree.

Roads are for driving, not parking. Double yellow lines down both sides of Eastcott Hill, Goddard Avenue, Kingshill Road please. Keep Swindon's traffic moving.


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Re: Residents' parking permits set to rise
« Reply #33 on: February 12, 2009, 05:33:21 PM »
If you want Swindon's traffic to keep moving remove the sodding bus lanes, traffic lights and roundabouts.

Course, nobody would ever be able to cross the road again, but never mind.

I don't think we are talking about encouraging parking on the M4 or A420, we are talking about letting residents park the family car in the same postcode as their home, a modest ambition. These homes are generally situated in roads that are relatively quiet and narrow little jobs that do not particularly go anywhere, well except at 09:00 and 17:00 when every w@nker in a beemer seems to think they could shave a couple of nanoseconds off the journey time to somewhere extremely important by screaming down them at 60mph, other than that the only traffic is, well, residents for the most part.

The roads receive little or no maintenance, the street furniture is mimimal and the markings few and far between, so the frontline costs should be quite modest. The traffic wardens comfortably cover their costs and even make a few pounds I understand, the administration? Well I struggle to see how any more than an adequate database with some sort of mailmerge jiggerypokery is required, oh, and a council officer clerk to push buttons now and again.

The most irksome aspect is how council professed to be a bit sorry about the 2006 fiasco, and how they were now going to be all fuzzy and pink when it came to f*cking residents about, consultation obviously, commonsense approach to yellow lines, not for profit, would you like a sweetie, would you like to come and see my puppy etc etc

Then this absolute outright falsehood that there has been no increase for many years, well, unless the laws of physics have been altered I do not really see 2006 as being the dawn of time as it were, and the 92% increase on the first ticket at that time was hardly modest, the sneaky, underhanded, cowardly, greasy and snide way the further increase of another 60% has been slimed through is also infuriating.

I should make clear, I don't need the poxy tickets, what I don't like is the scummy way these sh!ts are behaving and then justifying their behaviour with half truths, omissions and plain bollocks. Not one of them has the balls to defend the increase out in the open away from the security of their arcane little world of political clubs and committees, sub committees, sub sub committees, chairs, chair persons, chairmen, chairwomen, secretaries, Hign Grand Viziers and any other amount of pretentious bollocks where any action can be justified 'cos the graph says so' and imagination is not required.

Sack the lot of them and buy some software.
Nasty, distasteful and underhand.
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Re: Residents' parking permits set to rise
« Reply #34 on: February 21, 2009, 12:05:04 PM »
Subsidised to the tune of £100k, utter fatuous bollocks.

Correct.  The figures are misleading.

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Re: Residents' parking permits set to rise
« Reply #35 on: February 21, 2009, 07:02:20 PM »
Thought you'd been abducted.

Welcome back to Earth and trust your bottom doesn't smart too much.

Wotcha gonna do now?
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Re: Residents' parking permits set to rise
« Reply #36 on: February 21, 2009, 07:37:53 PM »
Wotcha gonna do now?

Good question!  Dave, please provide a response.

It seems surprising to me that there is no obvious political opposition on this one, especially as the herd mentality of councillors lends itself to this one quite nicely....the wards affected aren't blue, so there's load of ammunition for the yellows and reds to use here.

I note that Peter Greenhalgh hasn't dared to comment.  He's looking rather like one of those populist politicians, one without a spine and seemingly without the moral fibre to speak to the people affected by his parking tax.    If that's not holding the electorate in contempt I don't know what is.

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« Reply #37 on: February 21, 2009, 09:17:29 PM »
Thought you'd been abducted.

Welcome back to Earth and trust your bottom doesn't smart too much.

Wotcha gonna do now?

Sorry, I'd been doing rather than talking about doing  ;)

The simple process of opposition wouldn't do very much with this one, as we know from previous RP disputes.  Most councillors couldn't give two hoots about RP so will just vote with Mr G. 

I've spent every spare minute working on this one last week, and the picture will become fully clear come 9am Monday morning (officers willing) ready for Monday night.

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« Reply #38 on: February 21, 2009, 10:22:05 PM »
Aaah, walking the talk. Most commendable.

I too look forward to Monday.

What officers are you talking about, have you been arrested or have the Scots Guards been enlisted to the RP cause?

It was the 'hoots' gave me the clue to that one.

Must go, Matt Damon is going to smack someone's head in.

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Re: Residents' parking permits set to rise
« Reply #39 on: February 21, 2009, 10:23:36 PM »
 
Strikes me that the residents parking tax ought to be causing a frisson between the Tory Councillors and Tory PPC for South Swindon Robert Buckland.

Tory Councillors probably feel they can take the fiscal piss out the wards most affected by the parking tax without suffering in the 2010 local elections, whereas Robert Buckland will need the support of these very wards in the 2010 general election.

Properly handled, I can see the Lib Dems picking up a couple of council seats through this.