Author Topic: Connecting people and their communities. Is it real power for real people? (Read 13703 times)

ZPW · « **Reply #80 on:** May 17, 2009, 10:21:04 PM »

Quote from: Mart on May 17, 2009, 09:53:11 PM

How do I find out about my cluster?

I might want to engage.

Blinding isn't it that here we have an egaging citizen that wants to engage and doesn't know how...

I trawled over the EssBeeSee web site to search out cluster engagement... got dreadfully bored but picked this one out as starter for 10

http://www.swindon.gov.uk/community/communitydevelopment-2.htm

it's called Citizen Engagegement which seemed like a fari place to start.
There is however a few more you could sift through

Some are clearly ( ish) not to do with clusters, but some could be...
Good esn't it?

Community Projects Advice
Community Cohesion
Community Grants
Community Groups and Associations
Community Halls Hire
Community Learning and Engagement Teams
Community Legal Advice
Community Mediation Service
Community Safety
Community Statistics for Swindon
Community Strategy
COMPACT
Connecting Swindon
Connect Supported Employment Service
Connexions
Courts
Crime and Drugs Reduction Strategy
Civil Protection Unit
Death - Registration
Domestic Violence
Enterprise Works
Fire Service
GWR Kids Appeal
Gypsies and Travellers
Local Involvement Networks (LINks)

Clusters did not appear as an option. Have they been re-named?

ZPW · « **Reply #81 on:** May 17, 2009, 10:23:50 PM »

Don't try Connecting Swindon - that's all about this...

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Connecting Swindon provides a forum for partnerships to share and exchange concepts, experience and resources in the implementation of broadband projects in Swindon.

Also it documents and supports the use of digital technology as an aid to social and economic inclusion programmes, including opportunities in many communities of job creation and retention, improved education, businesses and health systems.

Which means?
Is someone being paid for this?

Steve Wakefield · « **Reply #82 on:** May 17, 2009, 10:57:30 PM »

Hello Chav

I make these comments and observations as a local Ward Councillor for Toothill and Westlea Ward only so my experience is only of this ward's cluster.

You are correct it was approved on 30th April at Full Council, I recall the leader saying if it is approved tonight then it could start tomorrow! The first West Cluster Meeting took place on Monday 11th May at the Link Centre it was decided by all those in attendance that it will still be called the West Swindon Forum as it was thought that "Cluster" sounds like a breakfast serial to most people or as someone said to me it conjures up all sorts of connotations. I am not sure what they meant by that?

Cllr Nick Martin was elected as the Chair of The West Cluster; Bernie Brannan is the Director providing support. The meeting as usual threw up some good ideas from the floor and the format will now change slightly under the new CPCP. You are always welcome to attend if you want to come along and see what happens there?

The West Swindon Forum has been meeting for several years at the Link and meets every second Monday in every second month; items to be discussed before the next scheduled meeting appear in the Link Magazine and a write up follows the scheduled meeting in the Link Magazine. I do not know anything about other Clusters/forums in the Town and I am sure that people in the relevant areas/clusters will be informed in due course. Which I think judging from Cllr Justin Tomlinson's post he is in the process of doing.

From the way I understand it, this is not about what the council does, it is about what the Cllrs and the public do to make this a success. Ward Councillors and local people need to drive this new model of local governance. The truth is that there is no set model and no blueprint, that is why Chav you probably commented on the Adina Case Study. Local ward councillors and residents are the ones that need to be writing the case study.

All ward councillors and I include myself in this will have to "up our game" in light of this different approach to our community leadership role and we will not be able to expect it all to be done for us by the council's administration. My personal view is for this to succeed, then it is down to us cllrs to make sure that it does. However without active participation from the public; success will be patchy to say the least, but with active participation I am confident it will make a positive difference to the way Swindon is locally governed.

Mart · « **Reply #83 on:** May 17, 2009, 11:17:53 PM »

Oooorah! for West Swindon

How do I find out about my cluster please?

I might want to engage.

Particularly about how difficult it is to engage.

Muggins · « **Reply #84 on:** May 18, 2009, 09:01:20 AM »

South: Old Town and Lawns, Ridgeway, Wroughton & Chiseldon,
Town Centre: Central and Eastcott
North East: Covingham and Nythe, Highworth, St. Margaret and St. Phillips.
North: Abbey Meads, Blunsdon, Haydon Wick and Moredon
East: Dorcan, Parks and Walcot
Inner North: Gorsehill, Pinehurst, Penhill and Western
West: Freshbrook, Grange Park, Shaw, Nine Elms, Toothill and Westlea

Later, will look up who are the senior officers cluster leads.

A mole has told me that one agenda item for one of the first meeting is DOG POOH!

I told you so, I told you so!

swindonlinkman · « **Reply #85 on:** May 18, 2009, 09:17:56 AM »

Steve makes useful and encouraging comments. An aspect of councillors upping their game is to look at how the game is played, and whether the surface is conducive to a fair game. Whilst they are used to the cut and thrust of meetings and debate, and protecting their party or individual interests (in terms of what they can do in the community to be reelected), the majority of people don't understand the rules or procedures, or can't be bothered to engage in political gamesmanship. They just want things to happen, or things to be fixed.

Councillors have to think hard about the atmosphere they create in clusters/forums, the manner they use to address people, whether people are encouraged and given scope to discuss what concerns them, and whether people are likely to return.

And dog fouling is a really valid agenda item which affects the community in a basic (grass roots) way. Deal with dog poo and the community starts to think action is being taken.

ZPW · « **Reply #86 on:** May 18, 2009, 01:47:26 PM »

Quote from: Mart on May 17, 2009, 11:17:53 PM

Oooorah! for West Swindon

How do I find out about my cluster please?

I might want to engage.

Particularly about how difficult it is to engage.

Still searching for you...
Searching for Cluster on EssBeeSees website gives this info

http://www.swindon.gov.uk/index/sbc-search-results.htm?qt=clusters&enable_passages=1&submit=Go

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... CREATIVE CLUSTERS Heads up for Community Cohesion! 6th June 2008 ... Framework: Examples of tension monitoring activity How can schools/clusters participate in tension monitoring? ?Contingency Planning ? Tension monitoring ? Education ...
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which at first glance seems to be about schools...

We can only hope that the relentless Muggins has more fortitude than I when it comes to engaging with the turbid mess of EssBeeSee.

OhMiGoodness... when you've been in the engagement business as long as I've been in the engagment business you'll know there should be no obstacles placed in the way of helping hands.

Muggins · « **Reply #87 on:** May 18, 2009, 03:14:47 PM »

ZPW. I think the clusters you copied are for the Multi Disciplinary teams - thats SBC speak for Childrens Services Integrated teams, or some such, that's why they seem to be clustered around schools and why schools are clustered too. I think the reason we got community 'clusters' is that the Head of Childrens Services came from a council elsewhere in the country that already had clusters that worked. That doesn't mean they will work here.

The Connecting People clusters are different - don't worry, in no time at all the names and terminology will change, as it always does. Just to keep us in a state of permanent bemusement.

Swindonlinkman: Whilst the arguments about Dog Pooh might get the old boys going, it is hardly the most important issue in many areas. Probably the most visible whilst the real problems are usually more invisible. And I agree we have to ride the rising tide of Dog Pooh and get that sorted (but I don't want to waste my time sitting through meetings about it) before we can get to the REAL issues.
As we can predict that this will be an issue, I would suggest that all councillors/officers come to the table with an answer and solution ready to go.

And suggest that everyone intending to go to a meeting with this on the agenda comes to the meeting after researching the subject - plenty about it on the internet! I know because guess who HAS researched it?

Justin Tomlinson · « **Reply #88 on:** May 18, 2009, 05:28:05 PM »

Quote from: swindonlinkman on May 18, 2009, 09:17:56 AM

And dog fouling is a really valid agenda item which affects the community in a basic (grass roots) way. Deal with dog poo and the community starts to think action is being taken.

Very true. I have just managed to secure 3 new bins for Haydon End Lane, after a huge number of local residents identified it as their main 'local' issue. However I am not sure an entire meeting on dig bins would be an ideal use of cluster meetings - it is the sort of issue residents (rightly) expect to be dealt with swiftly, without them having to come along and tell Councillors / Officers the obvious.

A meeting that covers all areas of street scene though would probably be of interest and will be the sort of thing we will look to cover at a meeting in the North Cluster.

swindonlinkman · « **Reply #89 on:** May 18, 2009, 05:42:13 PM »

And I'm not suggesting whole meetings be devoted to one subject. Well managed inclusive meetings and responsive councillors and officers should be able to deal with quality of life issues. Nevertheless you've got to start where people are at, and they're not all so knowledgeable as Muggins. One common denominator is the liklihood that most people are cynical about the council, CPCP and the inclusiveness agenda (and indeed the whole political process at the moment) and expect it to quickly fade away.

kecl · « **Reply #90 on:** May 18, 2009, 08:02:24 PM »

Quote from: Justin Tomlinson on May 18, 2009, 05:28:05 PM

Quote from: swindonlinkman on May 18, 2009, 09:17:56 AM

And dog fouling is a really valid agenda item which affects the community in a basic (grass roots) way. Deal with dog poo and the community starts to think action is being taken.

Very true. I have just managed to secure 3 new bins for Haydon End Lane....................

3 new bins for Haydon End Lane? Blimey, we can't even get 1 put in to Broadgreen!

Apparently we can have one, but there are 300 or so in the borough and they're all being used so we're on a waiting list

'spose it's who you know, eh!

Muggins · « **Reply #91 on:** May 19, 2009, 09:14:26 AM »

'Course you are right Swindonlinkman about Muggins being a flipping know-it-all! However, what worries me is that Dog pooh is an easy subject FOR ALL to understand, look, even Justin has managed to get three and ready to claim the credit for it. What is more hidden and not talked about much is that Pooh bins are not just about installing a shiny red bin and plastic liner - it's actually expensive to have them emptied and the 'clinical waste' disposed off. It takes money and energy away from other services. They are a luxury to be enjoyed by a minority.

But if people are going to go along to meetings, maybe for the first time ever, with the promise of getting things done on the whim of 'individuals' attending - then this will lead to problems of underfunding that affect the majority and maybe those who can't make the meetings and can't speak up for themselves.

And you are right about the mistrust - I can't see the meetings will be any more 'accessible' than the Stronger Communties Forum which is on tonight, at a most inconvenient time and place - they are arranged soley for the convenience of them that organise them -the agendas are set by them that orgnasie them, without consultation and rigidly adhered to - we all grumble but still make it if we can, just in case we miss something.

Engagement should start in the community itself, capacity should be built up in the
community itself and people should feel empowered and armed with the knowledge to ask/fight for what they want before it get's to public forum, so everyone has a fair chance.

Different communities have different needs/wants and lets face it, some just have wants - one size will not fit all. Especially when the clusters are based on political parties and not how neighbourly one community feels to another.

Please excuse jargon - OMG, it's like a mother tongue to me now.

Mart · « **Reply #92 on:** May 19, 2009, 01:51:00 PM »

And you are right about the mistrust - I can't see the meetings will be any more 'accessible' than the Stronger Communties Forum which is on tonight,

You are lucky, I can't see any meetings at all.

ZPW · « **Reply #93 on:** May 19, 2009, 03:09:31 PM »

Quote from: Mart on May 19, 2009, 01:51:00 PM

And you are right about the mistrust - I can't see the meetings will be any more 'accessible' than the Stronger Communties Forum which is on tonight,

You are lucky, I can't see any meetings at all.

Ever onwards in my search for you Mart.
I though that as West swindon Cluster was now re-named West swindon Forum, in keeping with the name it used before it was Clustered, that a good place to re-start my search for Clusters was by tracking down the West Swindon Forum, formally known as West Swindon Cluster, formally known as West swindon Forum

I used the EssBeeSee website search function

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I couldn't see any reference to West Swindon Forum Cluster and hence no link to other Forum?clusters. so well... there you go.

kecl · « **Reply #94 on:** May 19, 2009, 04:18:22 PM »

West Swindon Area Forum:

http://ww2.swindon.gov.uk/moderngov/ieListMeetings.asp?CommitteeId=767&J=1

West Swindon Area Forum mailing list:
http://ww2.swindon.gov.uk/moderngov/mgCommitteeMailingList.asp?EM=1&ID=767&J=1

'Don't tell you much though!!

ZPW · « **Reply #95 on:** May 19, 2009, 04:32:50 PM »

Ah but it's a lead... Thanks KECL.

From your link I rootled around in the ,meetings section

http://ww2.swindon.gov.uk/moderngov/ieDocHome.asp?Page=all&Categories=&Year=2009&J=3

and found this lot

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* Appeals Committee
* Appointments Committee
* Audit Committee
* Cabinet
* Cabinet Panel on School Organisation
* Children and Young People's Overview and Scrutiny Committee
* Children and Young People's Strategic Partnership Board
* Council
* Economic, Environmental and Sustainability Overview and Scrutiny Committee
* Education Transport Appeals Sub-Committee
* Equalities Advisory Forum
* Footpaths and Rights of Way Committee
* Health Overview and Scrutiny Committee
* Housing Advisory Forum
* Joint Commissioning Board (Adult Services)
* Leisure Working Party
* Licensing Committee
* Licensing Panel
* Old Town and Lawns Area Forum
* Planning Committee
* Private Hire and Hackney Carriage Licensing Sub-Committee
* Safer and Stronger Communities Overview and Scrutiny Committee
* Schools Forum
* Scrutiny Committee
* Special Committee
* Sports and Leisure Champion
* Standards Committee
* Standing Advisory Council on Religious Education
* Swindon Fairtrade Coalition
* Town Twinning Network
* West Swindon Area Forum
* Wiltshire and Swindon Fire Authority
* Wiltshire and Swindon Joint Police Committee

No clusters, but a a couple of likely looking forums inclusing the old West swindon Cluster
Lawns have a forum also, perhaps this is a hidden cluster?

No sign of any Cluster in Central though.
Perhaps it's a Tory thing?
Perhaps you could go along to another one?

swindonlinkman · « **Reply #96 on:** May 19, 2009, 04:34:56 PM »

This is the report that will appear in the June Link magazine:

Connecting people and their places in the West
The long running West Swindon Community Forum is to retain its name but has recast itself within Swindon Council’s new approach to making itself more relevant at a local level as the West Swindon Cluster.

It joins six other ‘clusters’ made up of different wards to provide a meeting point for local councillors and residents to discuss local issues and problems and put forward ideas for improvement. Each cluster meeting will work with a senior council officer to facilitate discussions which will be determined by the people who attend.

The majority of the 15 people who attended the West Swindon Forum on 11 June agreed that the area is good or very good, having good public transport links, road network, green spaces, sports facilities, libraries, shopping, schools, neighbourhood housing wardens and a distinct identity.

Problems that need attention are tired looking village centres and also the West Swindon District Centre, speed humps, an incomplete cycle network, flytipping, broken glass and litter, and free or low cost activities for young people.

Cluster support officer Bernie Brannan (pictured below) also presented a range of statistics about West Swindon which show general satisfaction about living in the area. He said Connecting People Connecting Places is a long term project to get residents to work together. “We need to work out a set of priorities to tackle the issues and enhance what makes the area a good place to live. In the longer term the council will be looking at allocating budgets to cluster level.”

Junab Ali from Freshbrook said it was important to involve and engage people right across West Swindon with the forum meetings. However councillor Mary Martin said that people will usually attend meetings if there are controversial topic affecting their immediate area.

The forum will continue to meet every other month in Link Centre community suite. The next takes place on 13 July.
To put an item on the agenda mail: bbrennan@swindon.gov.uk or turn up to the meeting.

(It's worth noting that 15 is an inflated number. It was more like 12, of which three were residents)

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ZPW · « **Reply #97 on:** May 19, 2009, 05:41:19 PM »

Quote from: swindonlinkman on May 19, 2009, 04:34:56 PM

This is the report that will appear in the June Link magazine:

Thank you SLM

Quote from: swindonlinkman on May 19, 2009, 04:34:56 PM

The majority of the 15 people who attended the West Swindon Forum on 11 June agreed that the area is good or very good, having good public transport links, road network, green spaces, sports facilities, libraries, shopping, schools, neighbourhood housing wardens and a distinct identity.

Quote from: swindonlinkman on May 19, 2009, 04:34:56 PM

(It's worth noting that 15 is an inflated number. It was more like 12, of which three were residents)

So... to re-cap 9 cllrs or officials that think W.swindon is tip top. £ residents agreed.

Quote from: swindonlinkman on May 19, 2009, 04:34:56 PM

Junab Ali from Freshbrook said it was important to involve and engage people right across West Swindon with the forum meetings. However councillor Mary Martin said that people will usually attend meetings if there are controversial topic affecting their immediate area.

Now Junab ali has a good point.
Not sure that Mary Martin is super fussed.
By the way, does Junab Ali count as a resident or as a cllr/official?
Does he live in West Swindon ?

Any Hoo... all good for the West Swindon SeePooToo Forum Cluster, but what about Central?
We have some engaging PCMs all ready for a Bin fight

swindonlinkman · « **Reply #98 on:** May 19, 2009, 06:01:15 PM »

Let's say there was an absence of residents, even though the CPCP was heavily promoted in the preceding magazine. Junab lives in Freshbrook.

ZPW · « **Reply #99 on:** May 19, 2009, 06:51:14 PM »

Quote from: swindonlinkman on May 19, 2009, 06:01:15 PM

Let's say there was an absence of residents, even though the CPCP was heavily promoted in the preceding magazine. Junab lives in Freshbrook.

So this will learn em to bung something on the agenda that'll be controversial enough to get people out.
What time was the mtg incidentally?
Lets say that for the sake of the engage-ometer Junab Ali doesn't really count as a resident and lets say the onus is on the meeting holder to make the meeting relevant to the audience

West Swindon Engageometer

SeePeeToo 10
Residents 0

However......

Central Engageometer

SeePeeToo 0 ( nil point)
Residents 10