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An interview with Swindon Council chief executive Gavin Jones, pictured below, that appeared in the January Swindon Link magazine

A new council policy called Connecting People, Connecting Places or CP2 for short will come into force on 1 April. Seven existing council staff are to be appointed as ‘area directors’ to spend two days of their week focussing on the needs and problems of particular neighbourhoods.

Although they officially start their work at the beginning of April, they will spend the next three months talking with ward councillors, looking at data for the areas they will be working in and discovering what makes a neighbourhood tick by meeting community groups and organisers.

All political parties subscribe to the idea of ‘localism’ and central government is keen for local councils to make the way they operate more accountable to voters. But the practicalities and details of delivering services at a local level have still to be worked out.

Swindon Council chief executive Gavin Jones said Connecting People, Connecting Places was part of a long process going on in Swindon.  “The leader of the council Rod Bluh and I share a vision which reaches out and involves people in their communities.

“Over the last few years the council has spent a great deal of time and energy reorganising the way it operates, raising standards across all of its services in response to government demands, creating partnerships with the large organisations we work with like the police and health services, and getting to grips with the regeneration of the town centre.

“CP2 is a long term project to get the council more in touch with neighbourhoods to build a much stronger pride in Swindon. This means the council has to look at different ways of working to deliver services which try to meet the needs and problems of each area. The council has to get closer to  communities and involve people in decisions.”

Outlining what will be taking place he said the council will have to:
• start discussions on topics of local interest;
• use the right language to encourage people to participate;
• offer training to people so that they can better understand how councils operate and the limitations on what they can do;
• train elected councillors to involve and encourage people to become more involved and be more responsible for their neighbourhoods;
• work towards setting up local groups which have responsibility for making local decisions on the way some of the council’s budget is spent.

“This is a five year project to change the culture of the council,” said Mr Jones. “The criticism that the council is detached from the people it serves has been valid in some situations. CP2 is about changing fundamentally this.

“It won’t be easy because local government is phenomenally complex. It has to respond to government demands to meet standards of service, as well making sure street lights work. But Swindon has a strong civic leadership which wants to make this process work.”

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The thread title: "Connecting people and their communities. Is it real power for real people?"

No. It isn't....

...and later on I'll tell you why  :)
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Having read the Gavin Jones posting, it's worth giving it context by checking out Geoff's commentary on the Rod Bluh view of excellence: http://www.talkswindon.org/index.php?topic=3935.0

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A new council policy called Connecting People, Connecting Places or CP2 for short will come into force on 1 April. Seven existing council staff are to be appointed as ‘area directors’ to spend two days of their week focussing on the needs and problems of particular neighbourhoods.

April 1st, someone is surely having a laugh, were 7 chosen because of the mystical power of 7, who chose them, why them, will they be known as the Magnificent 7, or M7 for short? (The road to nowhere)

Although they officially start their work at the beginning of April, they will spend the next three months talking with ward councillors, looking at data for the areas they will be working in and discovering what makes a neighbourhood tick by meeting community groups and organisers.

Data, tick? Just empty the piggin bins for gawds sake.

All political parties subscribe to the idea of ‘localism’ and central government is keen for local councils to make the way they operate more accountable to voters. But the practicalities and details of delivering services at a local level have still to be worked out.

All political parties subscribe to the idea of 'localism'. Good reason to shitcan the whole idea then, sounds like an internal self appointed ombudsman to me. There will be performance tables.

Swindon Council chief executive Gavin Jones said Connecting People, Connecting Places was part of a long process going on in Swindon.  “The leader of the council Rod Bluh and I share a vision which reaches out and involves people in their communities.

Shared visions and reaching out, sickbag to go please.

“Over the last few years the council has spent a great deal of time and energy reorganising the way it operates, raising standards across all of its services in response to government demands, creating partnerships with the large organisations we work with like the police and health services, and getting to grips with the regeneration of the town centre.

Interesting, spent lots of time and energy reorganising, no money then? Raises the standards government demands cos it is a league table thingy, as for regenration that is all about leaving big holes to make the town more permeable. Empty the bins please and stop paying to store paper.

“CP2 is a long term project to get the council more in touch with neighbourhoods to build a much stronger pride in Swindon. This means the council has to look at different ways of working to deliver services which try to meet the needs and problems of each area. The council has to get closer to  communities and involve people in decisions.”[/b]

Is CP2 C3PO's less affluent cousin? Far as I'm concerned the council could be based in brussels if it empties the bins.

Outlining what will be taking place he said the council will have to:

Empty the bins.

• start discussions on topics of local interest;

Canals.

• use the right language to encourage people to participate;

It prints everything in 9 languages now, what are they going to try, Klingon?

• offer training to people so that they can better understand how councils operate and the limitations on what they can do;

I'd take the training on how they operate but I probably only have 50 or so years to live (including miracles and giant strides in medicine) as for limitations, I'm self educated.

train elected councillors to involve and encourage people to become more involved and be more responsible for their neighbourhoods;

Bit of a waste innit, what happens when they become unelected?

• work towards setting up local groups which have responsibility for making local decisions on the way some of the council’s budget is spent.

About 14p I expect.

“This is a five year project to change the culture of the council,” said Mr Jones. “The criticism that the council is detached from the people it serves has been valid in some situations. CP2 is about changing fundamentally this".

“It won’t be easy because local government is phenomenally complex. It has to respond to government demands to meet standards of service, as well making sure street lights work. But Swindon has a strong civic leadership which wants to make this process work.”


Most forms of government operate in the rarefied and contrail free atmosphere of their own bums. They like it there because they can invent phenomenally complicated ways of doing things which aids them in detaching themselves for the annoying oiks on their patch.

Political and personal agendas will turn this into a sort of department that creates policies and declares itself delighted with them.

Empty the bins.



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CP2?
CP2?

Is that;
CP squared?
See Pea Too?
Sea Pee Too?

Isn't as catchy as it could be is it?

Seepeetoo.
Seepeetoo

Yep, that's it

Seepeetoo
Seepeetoo


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Much as I think Stellar-Mart pretty well has my corner covered, I have this to say about Gav-the-rocker's outline which I handily include below.
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Outlining what will be taking place he said the council will have to:
• start discussions on topics of local interest;
• use the right language to encourage people to participate;
• offer training to people so that they can better understand how councils operate and the limitations on what they can do;
• train elected councillors to involve and encourage people to become more involved and be more responsible for their neighbourhoods;
• work towards setting up local groups which have responsibility for making local decisions on the way some of the council’s budget is spent.


Is there to be an order in the way this bit of Seepeetoo is rolled out?
How can cllrs encourage people to participate ( which by the way is not actually the right language if one wants to encourage people to participate ) if they haven't got to point 3 of Seepeetoo and had their training. And... what does more involved mean? What are we measuring? Involved in what? is voting enough?
Do the cllrs know they have to be trained in Seepeetoo? Do they want to to told how to do their job by the seepeetoo czars? How will people know who's in charge; the cllrs or the seepeeto Czar? And what's the answer to that one?

I sense tears ahead.



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Having read the Gavin Jones posting, it's worth giving it context by checking out Geoff's commentary on the Rod Bluh view of excellence:


Yes, for those of you that have read my comments on Rod's 'excellence' lecture the 'interconnectedness' of everything published by local politicians may shortly become a little clearer, or muddier than ever. I'm afraid I make no guarantees.

Originally, I was going to attempt a forensic dissection of CP2 and Real People, Real power but, having produced about 2,000 words I realised I was just scratching the surface, it was going to be a dry read....so I deleted it. 

This is the quick and dirty version.




'CP2' is a hybrid offspring of a three way gang bang that's been happening between local councils, the Local Government Association and Hazel Blears' crowd: Communities and Local Government.

Hazel's civil service slaves have been beavering away at Communities and Local Government to produce the 'Real People, Real Power' white paper. This was published in July of 2008 and is a comprehensive bundle of ideas designed to 'empower' us. (Us being the electorate and our communities).

The Local Government Association, still twitching from Ruth Kelly's 2006 Government White Paper: 'Stronger and More Prosperous Communities', has examined Real People, Real Power, (A more detailed version of Kelly's offering), and after cherry picking the bits it liked from both papers has broadly welcomed both.

The LGA recently produced a briefing document for the likes of Rod 'n' Gav to peruse and, if you allow yourself a quick ganders, you'll quickly notice that the LGA, in its own words, 'supports the intentions of the Empowerment White Paper'. 'Huzzah!', exclaimed Rod & Co....or so you'd be forgiven for assuming, but I don't think this was their reaction, and I'm not convinced that moving SBC towards 'localism' was, or is entirely popular within Tory Towers, and here's why:

At the cabinet meeting on the 12th of September 2007, adopting a 'Neighbourhood Management Strategy' was discussed. Members were also bluntly informed of alternative options to adopting the strategy:

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Alternative Options

• Any alternative option will not provide the range of positive outcomes listed above. Separate initiatives would not achieve the economies of scale or the scale of impact outlined in this report.

• Do nothing – the Council would face significant risk both in terms of public perception and in inspection results if it were to do nothing. We would not be able to become a three or four-star authority.


To me this sounds a bit like a McDonalds employee worrying about getting his next star but, to be fair, Rods cabinet was still reeling from the embarrassing May 2007 'Chair of Scrutiny' debacle which had seen the chairmanship of the scrutiny committee being briefly 'handed' to the recently-resigned-from-the-labour-party Councillor David Glaholm. 

Shortly afterwards Glaholm created a debacle of his own when the long arm of the law put its foot to the floor, or more accurately - the kerb, and apprehended him as he crawled along it.  It was difficult to tell who was more embarrassed, Glaholm or the Tories, but the 'chair' was quietly handed back to Kevin Small of the Labour group after a heated, and somewhat fearful discussion within the Tory group.  At the time, Cllr Bluh's reasoning for handing the chair back to Kevin Small, (without a public vote), was simple:

Quote from: Rod Bluh, Leader of the Council
We should not seen to be manipulate Scrutiny for political reasons.  We would be severely marked down in the inspection process if we were seen to be doing so.



The leadership subsequently got its act together, and had decided upon a cogent theme to present to members at the next council meeting on the 12th of September 2007, where the Chair advised on the importance of regenerating Swindon's neighbourhoods:

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He stated that to be able to address the issues of crime and community safety seriously, to improve the environmental issues within local neighbourhoods and to target the scarce financial resources for care and other people-related services more effectively, there needed to be a more localised delivery of services


The leadership had settled into it's new groove, and was now boogeying gently to the tune of 'Localism'. 

Regeneration would not just be about the town centre, 'localism' would be the key to regenerating neighbourhoods, reducing crime, increasing safety and solving environmental issues.

But let's not make Batman and Robin redundant just yet, it would be prudent to keep the Bat phone easily to hand......

By June 2008, localism - the neighbourhood management initiative, had been christened 'Connecting People, Connecting Places', or CP2 for short. CP2 was being urged quickly forwards on its tottering juvenile legs as fear was, once again, raising its ugly head in the cabinet - as reported in this SBC cabinet briefing document from the 11th June 2008.

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10. Alternative Options

10.1. Do nothing and retain our current arrangements. This will incur a severe risk that Swindon will attract a low Comprehensive Performance Assessment/Comprehensive Area Assessment rating and undo the progress made since 2003.

Such under performance could lower the public perceptions of Swindon Borough Council, reduce funding and impede the Council’s other policies. A low rating might have adverse impact on the regeneration programme, especially if central government were minded to use their reserve intervention powers.



To me, this looks like either an open admission, or honest recognition at least, that as a council, they had not been performing as well as we had been led, (by them), to believe, or that the council leadership believes that to avoid 'under performing' it must constantly seek change, and only by making change can it expect to be judged as performing well.  A dog chasing its own tail?

I think, for a while at least, I will stick with my previous comments on Rod's 'excellence' lecture, when I said:

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"Perhaps Rod is quietly acknowledging that not everything in the Borough has been quite as successful as the Ivory Tower gang had previously claimed and, having stuck their collective necks out and bragged relentlessly about vision, success and delivery.....it has become much harder for them to 'improve' on the near-perfect record they have so far awarded themselves."


So, where now for the leadership?

Driven partly by fear of being awarded poor marks, the council decides it must keep on doing 'something', must be seen to be changing things, in order to show that it's constantly moving forwards, embracing change and being progressive.  Personally speaking, I think if they'd be perfectly happy to do the town centre regeneration and leave it at that, but when the realisation dawned that the town centre regeneration might be threatened by a poor CAP/CAA assessment they, a little reluctantly it appears, started work on neighbourhood management.  This will probably be rebranded as 'neighbourhood regeneration' soon, and be packaged and presented as being part and parcel of the overall regeneration.

So what does this mean for us?, well, take your pick:

'It is about the Council, its partners and residents working closely together to develop strong neighbourhoods that influence local provision and delivery of services to improve the quality of life for all our residents.' say the council.

'It is about power, influence and control: who has power, on whose behalf is it exercised, how is it held to account, and how can it be diffused throughout the communities we live in. It is about democracy, and how democratic practices and ideals can be applied to our complex, modern society' says the government.

'It is about passing power to communities and giving real control and influence to more people' says the Local Government Association.


It's fairly easy to imagine that all over the country leaders of local councils are getting together with their own versions of Gavin Jones, and whittling 'Stronger and More Prosperous Communities', 'Real People, Real Power', and the LGA's own briefing documents down into something a little less threatening to them politically.

When this first appeared in Council, they were keen to get another star and desperately fearful of being marked down and the prospect of the government intervening in 'their' affairs. I get the sense that they felt pressured into 'doing something Muttley'.

I'm not impressed with this move towards 'localism' because it seems to have been driven by fear......and because we already know that Councillors are genuinely and inherently averse to the idea of real people having any real power outside of election times.

Unless SBC makes genuine moves towards enabling proper participatory democracy in our neighbourhoods I think their idea of 'neighbourhood management' is destined to produce a castrated, impotent version of 'localism', which will not 'empower', or interest voters.

Let's face it squarely and call a spade a spade, 'neighbourhood management' is localised management of the people and it resembles a larger, grander version of the Community Empowerment Network.

The community empowerment network failed, because it only seemed to attract interfering busy-bodies, sorry, 'community leaders', at the grass roots level and was intended to allow its 'strategic partners' to conduct 'social engineering' within targeted communities. These communities quickly learned that their 'partners' were the only participants who were empowered in any meaningful way.....and that usually meant handing social edicts downwards, which the busybodies were then supposed to distribute to 'their' flock. Messages travelling back up the chain of 'community empowerment' rarely seem to have produced meaningful results.


I suggest that there are two, immensely powerful, fears driving our Councillors to embrace localism.  The first is a political fear of central government censure and intervention. Councillors will make changes, but only just enough to keep the inspectorate classes and central government off their backs. Hence CP2 will be adopted, but more because they are afraid not to, than because they think it's desirable.

The second is Councillors fear of a newly empowered Swindon electorate wielding a sense of purpose and renewed interest in participatory democracy.  We need only to look two recent examples to determine that our Councillors, with just one or possibly two exceptions, are resolutely opposed to the very notion of voters having a direct say in how the council, and town, should be led. 

It is therefore difficult to imagine that residents will be 'allowed' to influence political policy and service 'delivery' within their own communities if their own opinions oppose those of the councillors.

There's some genuinely good stuff in Real People, Real Power....and there's some real rubbish.  I won't try to influence how any one else interprets it, but I will leave with with a few final thoughts on how I think our councillors will react to the political opportunities, and threats to them, contained within it.

Regardless of the intent of Government White Papers, I expect to see our councillors scrambling to ensure their position within our 'representative democracy' remains safely 'status quo', protected from an invigorated an increasingly 'upstart' electorate intent on finally taking part in 'participative democracy'.

Based on recent example in Swindon, we cannot trust local councillors to do anything other than serve themselves, and their parties of choice, where issues of democracy are concerned.

We should not expect to see the more interesting, attractive and useful aspects of democratic empowerment being easily, or even willingly adopted by local councillors.

We should expect Councillors to actively resist the more interesting, attractive and useful aspects of citizen empowerment being implemented in Swindon.

We shouldn't expect Councillors to share knowledge which might democratically benefit, or even interest us*. (See below main post for a current example).

So, for all of Rod's lecturing and posturing about embracing and not being frightened of change, I am willing to bet that Swindon's Councillors will prove to be the most resistant to it, and probably amongst the very last to embrace it and where change empowers the voter to democratically influence events outside of election times, Councillors resistance to change will be harder to shift than chewing gum on the pavement.


Maybe they really should stick to......



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A Public Government Consultation is currently underway called:

Communities in control: Real people, real power - Changing Council Governance Arrangements – Mayors and Indirectly Elected Leaders.

As the title suggests, it is part of  'Real People, Real Power', and your views as a member of the public are invited.

It is disappointing that SBC, which is busily blowing it's own trumpet on 'empowering' residents, has 'forgotten' to mention that every Swindon resident is entitled, and has the opportunity now to have another say in how the council should be led, who should lead it and how the leadership model of the council can be changed by the voters.

To save you the bother of fruitlessly searching for the Consultation Document on the SBC website, I've made it available by clicking here


Your response must be received by 13 March 2009 and may be sent by email or post. email: email: governance@communities.gsi.gov.uk


post to:

Changing Council Governance Arrangements Consultation
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A bit of history:  Some ten years ago in Voluntary Sector Literature I was
reading about the Government's desire to involve more people in local
democracy and government.

They were not saying what way to vote but to have more of an interest and be more informed about their choices. I watched as various attempts were made to build up the voice of the voluntary and community sector. Strategic Partnerships was one - Councils were told "if you want funding you will have to get working in equal partnership with other providers and that will include the Third (Voluntary and Community) Sector".
The Swindon Strategic Partnership was set up - a community plan was
developed - and indeed representatives form the Third Sector were invited.
After a while this appeared not to sit easily with the other sector reps as,
for once, they were well outside their comfort zone and we got shoved out
on to sub groups and even then our voice got smaller and less representative and 
effective and it seemed some even seemed to jumped ship and become more
business that voluntary.

'Neighbourhood Management' was another (or perhaps it went hand in hand)
attempt by the government to get more control back into the hands of local
communities and in some towns it worked a treat, but I don't know how
sustainable it was/is, I haven't studied it lately.  I was strongly opposed
to it here at the time and still would be, because SBC have failed to 'engage'
and 'build up the capacity' of the local community to make a good job of it,
so they were putting the cart before the horse. It would be bound to fail
in it's primary object of  'empowering people'. Then they would blame us for
not participating or being brainy enough to work with them, rather than
blame themselves for keeping up the good - I might even say 'excellent'
community development dept., that provided me with the tools to be an
empowered activist (whether that was with funds for local groups to build up
capacity (as they call it now) or direct support from them.

 I've been watching this plan to draw more people in for over ten years and
can quote the original reasons why - and ANY political party in power at the
moment would be doing it - it's vital to democracy that this or something
like it, happens and it's getting urgent. The Neighbourhood Management facts
and things can be found on the net - you only have to look up other towns
that have been successful at it.

It's not the Government that has got this wrong - people's interest in the
goings on of government at whatever level must be stimulated or we will end
up - well, really we have already  - in a very frightening position.  It's
Swindon that has lost all the community development and engagement skills
and with the present administration there is no will to devolve power down
and yet they would love that power to be devolved down from government to
them and them alone. There is no effective opposition that I can see either.
Crikey, I could give a list of examples as long as your arm and if you heard
and saw some of the things I do you'd be shaking in your boots.
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It's not got any credibility as a strategy when groups of people like  Artisite in the Post Modern, working to make an old derelict building habitable, with no heating or hot water,  trying to make a difference in the community, trying to empower themselves, and trying to establish a cultural  community site are let down literally at the last minute, when all convened in the cold, by the SBC rep who was supposed to come to listen to them  and who cancelled one minute before he was due - and has never bothered to reschedule.

Empowerment?  Just good manners would be a start.

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Your Artsite story could be replicated all over the Swindon Voluntary and Community Sector. If we could get groups to post incidents on this page/thread (whatever the terminology is) a catalogue of disappointment and disgust would come to light.  You are dead right about basic good manners, which means we don't just have a quantity problem when it comes to support, but one of quality too. We have gone in just a few years from one of the strongest voluntary and community sectors in the country to one in crisis - whats caused that?
I look forward to postings telling me I've got that wrong! 
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Re: Connecting people and their communities. Is it real power for real people?
« Reply #10 on: January 15, 2009, 01:51:13 PM »

 
If we could get groups to post incidents on this page/thread (whatever the terminology is) a catalogue of disappointment and disgust would come to light. 



Talkswindon would be delighted to provide a dedicated forum in which individuals and groups could record, share, compare and discuss their experiences.

The admin team would like to hear from anyone who thinks this would be a worthwhile idea. This includes guest readers of Talkswindon and existing members.


Your thoughts or questions are welcomed both on-forum and via email at: admin@talkswindon.org
   
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Re: Connecting people and their communities. Is it real power for real people?
« Reply #11 on: January 15, 2009, 01:57:32 PM »

A truly  "excellent"  idea !   

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Re: Connecting people and their communities. Is it real power for real people?
« Reply #12 on: January 15, 2009, 05:47:56 PM »

I agree, an excellent Idea.
I think you will find that a lot of people/group members will post.

It will be a very very worth while thing to do  O0
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« Reply #13 on: January 16, 2009, 11:13:55 PM »

It's not the Government that has got this wrong - people's interest in the goings on of government at whatever level must be stimulated or we will end up - well, really we have already  - in a very frightening position.  It's Swindon that has lost all the community development and engagement skills and with the present administration there is no will to devolve power down and yet they would love that power to be devolved down from government to them and them alone.


But isn't the problem that the government (and not just this one: previous ones for decades too) have been busily centralising powers? If there was rather more power locally for people to be interested in, would they not be more stimulated?

It's all levels of government that have got this wrong.
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« Reply #14 on: January 30, 2009, 06:11:05 PM »

Successive governments may well have got it wrong, so let's embrace the one that might be trying turning that around.  Just to say that we have just heard that Connecting People, Connecting places will no longer be referred to as CP2 - their reason? That community people think its a mathmatical equation and won't respond to it, as they don't know what it is..........always our fault isn't it?  Funny, how this change cames about a few days after I told a meeting that a Councillor had told one group 'not to worry about Connnecting People, Connecting Places, it had all changed and the new things was being called CP2'.  I pointed this out to that meeting show that their own blessed habit of calling things a fancy name a mile long and then using intials was confusing their own people! They are calling it that long fancy name to avoid calling it what it should be 'Communties in Control'. 
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« Reply #15 on: January 30, 2009, 08:51:07 PM »

Communities in Control

That's just the ticket Muggins.
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Re: Connecting people and their communities. Is it real power for real people?
« Reply #16 on: February 03, 2009, 09:45:08 AM »

Me! get paid?  ahahahhahahahha, very funny.  Communities in Control is the working title for 'Real People, Real power'  See below.

http://www.communities.gov.uk/publications/communities/communitiesincontrol


Reference: What gets people out and doing (for nothing!)  There is a thing called the Maslow Hierachy of Need, look it up on Wikipedia - I'm thinking of adding an extra need - 'get the bins emptied!'  Not that I have that problem, the bin men came this mornring on time and in the snow. 
Remember that it was an ordinary family that built the Ark but a bunch of professionals built the Titanic.

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Re: Connecting people and their communities. Is it real power for real people?
« Reply #17 on: February 03, 2009, 01:16:33 PM »

The crucial thing will be creating an agenda that interests local residents, for which they will need to let each of the areas be flexible as the issues / concerns / priorities etc will differ between areas.

One of the issues that has been raised is showing local residents the limitations etc on what can / can not be done - this I doubt will enthuse would be attendees!

I hope it works, but I remember the area panels - in our area, we average less members of the public than the Councillors / Officers - though to be fair the agendas were pre-set, generic and frankly duller than dishwater!  For our area, we will be looking to be radical and interesting, hopefully that will spark interest.

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Re: Connecting people and their communities. Is it real power for real people?
« Reply #18 on: February 03, 2009, 01:35:03 PM »

The area panel agendas were controlled from the centre and indeed its the same for most other council - community interaction which is one of the reasons so few people are engaged and participating in Swindon's civic society. There is a 'we know best' top down air which pervades most activities and is very devisive. It's up to the council and the councillors to really get a grip on loosening their power (if that's not a contradiction in terms) and allow people to influence their, generally, pre-determined party driven agendas.

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« Reply #19 on: February 03, 2009, 01:38:50 PM »

The area panel agendas were controlled from the centre and indeed its the same for most other council - community interaction which is one of the reasons so few people are engaged and participating in Swindon's civic society. There is a 'we know best' top down air which pervades most activities and is very devisive. It's up to the council and the councillors to really get a grip on loosening their power (if that's not a contradiction in terms) and allow people to influence their, generally, pre-determined party driven agendas.


Fair point - we really need to make sure the 'agendas' are of interest to local residents.