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Adver 'Elected Mayors' Webchats
« on: October 13, 2008, 12:55:38 PM »

http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/3751252.WEBCHAT__With_Justin_Tomlinson/

When the webchat closes at 1pm today we could, if you like, continue discussing Cllr Tomlinsons comments here.  :)



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« Reply #1 on: October 13, 2008, 01:15:04 PM »
I like this one:
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As to the 2001 meeting, if memory serves me right it was one of the last items on a very long agenda (I think the meeting went onto 1am) and as you said shortly after Sue Bates's administration had imploded, so everything was in a state of flux. In addition the report presented was based on an extremely limited consultation, not good for such a potentially important decision.

If Justin is suggeting that the original consultation was not fit for purpose, then don't the council have a responsibility to do a proper one, as per the legislative requirements?

I wonder if the council's legal people have a view...
"Is a consultation which is not fit for purpose adequate in law to enable the council to say it HAD done a consultation, under the terms of the [insert proper name for mayor thing here] act ?"


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« Reply #2 on: October 13, 2008, 01:15:28 PM »
Hi Geoff...

Thank you for the questions on the Adver web chat  O0

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« Reply #3 on: October 13, 2008, 01:20:53 PM »
I like this one:
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As to the 2001 meeting, if memory serves me right it was one of the last items on a very long agenda (I think the meeting went onto 1am) and as you said shortly after Sue Bates's administration had imploded, so everything was in a state of flux. In addition the report presented was based on an extremely limited consultation, not good for such a potentially important decision.

If Justin is suggeting that the original consultation was not fit for purpose, then don't the council have a responsibility to do a proper one, as per the legislative requirements?

I wonder if the council's legal people have a view...
"Is a consultation which is not fit for purpose adequate in law to enable the council to say it HAD done a consultation, under the terms of the [insert proper name for mayor thing here] act ?"


James

I have to say this is based on my limited memory of the meeting and report, which was back in 2001, plus Geoff's summary of what happened.

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« Reply #4 on: October 13, 2008, 01:35:53 PM »
I appreciate it is a long time ago, but the question of whether it was good enough to pass the threshold of legality should be an easy one to establish I would have thought.

May also give those currently in power a "get out of jail free", as it would let them appear to be part of the move to correct a wrong. (well two wrongs actually, the report itself, and the way it was treated on the night)

Of course if they think nothing will come of any petition, they can do as they please.


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« Reply #5 on: October 13, 2008, 01:40:53 PM »
Geoff - I presume you have asked this directly of the Council, if so - did you get a response?

James - I am sure if local residents are keen on this issue then the petition will rally sufficient numbers.

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« Reply #6 on: October 13, 2008, 01:43:53 PM »
 
Hi Geoff...

Thank you for the questions on the Adver web chat  O0

No problem, it was an interesting chat and I'm grateful that at least one councillor has finally acknowledged that the councils 2001 decision to adopt our current leadership system, at the time and in the manner it did so, was a mistake.

Knowing when to admit something was a mistake is a trait the voters in North Swindon will appreciate in their Parliamentary candidates.



I have to visit the bombsite  pop into town, so I'll come back to this a bit later.  :)


Looking forward to my webchat tomorrow.

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« Reply #7 on: October 13, 2008, 02:44:10 PM »
 
Geoff - I presume you have asked this directly of the Council, if so - did you get a response?


Roger Ogle and I brought it up directly with the indirectly elected leader of the council and the leaders of both opposition parties in June 2008.

The leader of the council, Rod Bluh, did respond, although judging by his response I'm wondering whether our question wasn't framed simply enough for him....

Then Rod seemed to entirely forget about our correspondence because he has recently begun stating in his various Adver articles that he has not received "a single letter" regarding the issue(s).

I'm fairly modest by nature, but I would go so far to say that, as far as letters to local councillors go, this really was a letter which shoul be hard to forget, nevertheless he seems to have managed it  ;D

Perhaps TS members and readers would consider the last paragraph....

Quote from: Geoff Reid & Roger Ogle
Having reviewed the conduct of the public consultation on the model of local government to be adopted in Swindon by the previous administration in 2001, there are sufficient grounds to question the methodology employed and the outcome arrived at. We feel it is appropriate for the Borough Council to re-visit the legislation and this time conduct an open and well publicised debate as to whether the time is right to have an elected mayor in the town.

We look forward to hearing if this is an item the cabinet is willing to discuss with a view to engaging the wider population.


....and decide for themselves whether the leaders reply to it was relevent, and whether his subsequent denial of having received the letter was just an oversight.

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« Reply #8 on: October 13, 2008, 03:35:20 PM »
 
My webchat starts tomorrow at midday

Feel free to put your head round the door and chip in.

It doesn't matter which side of the fence you're on either  :)



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« Reply #9 on: October 15, 2008, 04:02:59 PM »
Well done on your web chat yesterday.   O0

I would have asked a question, but last time I did on a web chat someone complained - annoying that as I am a local resident myself, so I am interested in what people have to say / will do etc.

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« Reply #10 on: October 15, 2008, 06:57:55 PM »
The adver, today asks the readers if they would like to vote for Mr Small as the new mayor, so that says it all then,
keep the system as it is, and if required, bring in rules, where a mayor can be challenged
regards..

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« Reply #11 on: October 15, 2008, 08:52:03 PM »
Well done on your web chat yesterday.   O0

I would have asked a question, but last time I did on a web chat someone complained - annoying that as I am a local resident myself, so I am interested in what people have to say / will do etc.
 

Ask it now  :)

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« Reply #12 on: October 15, 2008, 08:52:40 PM »
The adver, today asks the readers if they would like to vote for Mr Small as the new mayor, so that says it all then,
keep the system as it is, and if required, bring in rules, where a mayor can be challenged
regards..

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« Reply #13 on: October 15, 2008, 08:54:11 PM »
Geoff Is it possible you could post the links to the various webchats as can't find yours and Justins on Advertisers web site!  Although saw them briefly the other day when I logged on on holiday would like to re-read them at my leisure


I would have asked a question, but last time I did on a web chat someone complained - annoying that as I am a local resident myself, so I am interested in what people have to say / will do etc.

Could you not have asked a question as an alias such as concerned_of_Abbey Meads?

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« Reply #15 on: October 15, 2008, 09:48:43 PM »
Thanks for links Geoff

Must admit confused!  How do you respond/vote?

http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/mayor/

Can't see any obvious voting buttons.

As mentioned previously find Advertiser site very unfriendly to use!

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« Reply #16 on: October 15, 2008, 11:25:08 PM »
 
Might be a problem with their website...

...will email their Digital Media Editor and tell 'em.

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« Reply #17 on: October 16, 2008, 12:38:29 AM »
The Adver website is showing the ballot as having closed on 11:08 am on 10 October
http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/ballots/vote/335/
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« Reply #18 on: October 16, 2008, 09:57:21 AM »
 

hahahahaa....3 days before it was supposed to open   ;D

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« Reply #19 on: October 17, 2008, 10:48:36 AM »
The voting now seems to be re-opened.

http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/mayor/


However in my opinion the question(S) and how they seem to calculate the percentages it is flawed. They should be two entirely different yes or no questions and it should not be possible to vote for all four options (which are mutually exclusive) and thus mess up the percentages