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Young people - OMG
« on: September 10, 2007, 08:57:34 AM »

http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/display.var.1671589.0.0.php

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STUDENTS in Swindon say that plans for them to carry out voluntary service in the summer holidays are unrealistic.

The Churchfields School students were speaking out after Tory leader David Cameron unveiled a policy to make school-leavers undertake either voluntary work or physical activity to groom them for adulthood.


Stunning to read the civic minded attitude of these young people

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Year 11 student Alex Edwards-Clements said: " I don't think it's going to work, because there is nothing in his plans that is going to grab our attention. Helping people doesn't appeal to me, not when I could be ice-skating."


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"I would rather have a job in the summer holidays and get paid than do voluntary work," she said.

"I don't think the experience that you would gain from doing this would be enough to make this a worthwhile experience."


and then this holier thatn thou creature who one assumes does not consider herself a 'yob' and therefore should not considered for unwaged work.

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Kara-Jane Senior, 15, said: "Yobs will not want to do it, the good children will do it but the people that should be doing it won't.


one of the little charmers goes on to say that a certificate or award should be given to those that conduct unwaged labour.

I found the article almost unbelievable. What have we done to young people to make them so grasping and insular?
Fed them Mcdonald's and put them in Crocs I suspect.

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Re: Young people - OMG
« Reply #1 on: September 10, 2007, 12:17:32 PM »

They are the product of the 'Parenting-by-playstation' age, an entire generation of children who have remained insulated from the concepts of moral and civic responsibility, yet understand every single one of their common and statute law rights.  'Brats bred by Blair'?

They have 'Rights without responsibilities'.....and I think we can all anticipate where that leads* as increasingly self-centred children grow up and start having their own children.

Personally, I think this particular slippery slope had it's incline increased dramatically on the very day corporal punishment in schools ended.   





* There's a whole different debate here, but where does society head if it the rights without responsibility model really gets to grips with government policies that make it easier to get into debt/go bankrupt, get pissed and become an alcoholic, or simply gamble and drink yourself towards debt and death in a supercasino.........

...and that's just scratching the surface.  :(


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« Reply #2 on: September 10, 2007, 12:44:36 PM »
Hmmm - I think you're all missing the fundamental contradiction in Camerons gimmicky proposal: the words 'make' and 'voluntary' would appear to be mutually exclusive to me...

Why not organise nationally, offer to pay minimum wage and employ them to do something useful? That would be fairer, offer a carrot rather than a compulsory stick - and teach them the benefit of a wage for a fair days work. Trying to enduce them to do something when you realistically have no real means to compel them just looks like naivety to me... or could it be gesture politics from those who appear to be adopting a New Labour approach to policy?
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Re: Young people - OMG
« Reply #3 on: September 10, 2007, 11:27:26 PM »
I have been waiting for ages for one of you buggers to give me an opportunity to wheel out my latest hobby horse.

Penal Regiments.

Fed up waiting, so I will find my own tenuous link. It's going to be tricky, but I will give it a go.

I am the parent of a little wottname approaching this age and the rights without responsibility is spot on, the suicidal little numpty has made one or two attempts to get me to subscribe to this kind of pinko commie hippy dogma, my persuasive and passionate argument won him over though, for now.

We are already seeing older versions  emerge into the workplace, those of us who were lucky enough to be taught sums before they were a degree subject will note that the timing is spot on and lines up with the emergence of that grinning twonk currently trying to do a Kissinger (but on more money) how come the rich and powerful attract the gorgeous women?

Diversity, bullying, harassment, elf and safety etbloodycetera.

I would not condone a return to the thoroughly nasty days of yesteryear when everyone was black and white and the light was strange and flickery, they used to walk everywhere dead quick as well. Moustaches, big moustaches. You would have thought though that there was some kind of middle ground though. I am fairly, I dunno, traditional in my approach to parenting and I feel I am trying to fight a system that is trying to turn the boy into a lazy loafing self righteous twonk, mind you I suppose the fact that some of these oiks do emerge willing to work is moderately encouraging, on their own terms mind, obviously.

Then we have the scrotes who won't work and ponce a living off those that do, through theft or benefit. I don't think society is completely shot, I'm not that mental, but I am utterly convinced it is a growing malaise. Gobbing in the street, alcohol abuse, dope, theft, abusive language, physical violence because these nasty little pieces of work have the right to behave this way, that right is granted because there is no fear of meaningful punishment (see where I am going now?)

They are all happy to make withdrawals from the bank called Community, but none will make a deposit. (I just made that up, I fel a bit sicky, but I'll let it stand) it is one way traffic, so, wang it in the curriculum, community service in school hours, drop one of the nonsense subjects like, erm,

french

Then for the total utter bastards who make a cock of their own lives, and usually make a misery of a few other peoples as well, there is my hobby horse. Penal Regiments, borderline brutality delivered by officers and non coms who would otherwise be invited to retire. Serve the community in good old blighty, or choose somewhat iffy postings abroad, sentence reduction on a sliding tariff scale dependent on general shittiness of postings, with an option to swap to the regulars when released.

Clears out prisons, puts the fear of christ up offenders, especially cos we have volunteered for so many shooting wars at present.

The message is that if you don't contribute you won't get your otherwise stunningly easy to get A / O level GCSE or english badge to sew on your trunks, (we won't mark down your little lamb's frankly disturbing spelling or grammar cos this piece was about the imagination of the composition, I kid you not) if you take more from society than you can reasonably contribute then society will collect the debt.

I'm probably not explaining very well, but it is a sliding scale, give what you can reasonably and willingly, fail to give and society, not the state, takes what it thinks you can give. Screw society then the state will step in and give you a right rogering.
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