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RP Paper Finally in Public Domain!
« on: July 17, 2007, 06:15:40 PM »
I was emailed in the last half hour to say that the RP report is finally in the public domain.

The 'topsheet' report is here:
http://ww2.swindon.gov.uk/moderngov/Published/C00000285/M00003039/$$ADocPackPublic.pdf (p.79 or 83)

The appendices including consultant report are here:
http://ww2.swindon.gov.uk/moderngov/Published/C00000285/M00003039/$$Supp707dDocPackPublic.pdf

I'll just put my initial thoughts for now because I've got to do someting shortly.  I'll post later with my views on the process etc.

The Good News
- [Albeit carefully worded] Commitment to stop house-splits and redevelopments having permits that flood extra cars onto the streets.  Seriously good for stemming the tide of permits.
- Recommendation that all permit holders be allowed to use Borough Car Parks for free during off-peak times (i.e. when on-street parking is less available).  Not everyone directly benefits but most zones indirectly benefit.
- Creation of a (hopefully public and accountable) RP Group to guide the process, develop a workplan and provide focus
- Commitment to get rid of unnecessary yellow lines to free up more than 300 'news' spaces in zones.  And hopefully we'll be able to find many more.
- A few others bits I'll comment on soon.

The Bad News
- Well, not news, but the length of time we've waited for this.  But more on that later.
- The firm recommendations and costings are good.  But the lack of timescales for these things to happen is bad.
- Similarly the rather weak stance on paying for it could be very bad!
- There is meant to be an appendix giving the survey results.  But it seems to be absent!

Overall.  It's hurrendously late, as we all know.  In itself it has some very good proposals.  But it does feel like the proposals are being shunted off onto a group with no timescales and no identified budget.

I hope this doesn't mean more delays and inaction.. but the report does leave the Council that option.

Mixed.

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Re: RP Paper Finally in Public Domain!
« Reply #1 on: July 17, 2007, 06:53:50 PM »
Why does the website require me to log in, doesn't it know who I am?

B@st@rd website.

I was feeling analytical as well.
Sometimes I think you have to march right in and demand your rights, even if you don’t know what your rights are, or who the person is you’re talking to. Then, on the way out, slam the door.

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Re: RP Paper Finally in Public Domain!
« Reply #2 on: July 17, 2007, 07:14:32 PM »
I tried too- neither page was accessible- so still not actually in the public domain yet.....  ???

And I got all interested again... should have known....will I never learn?

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Re: RP Paper Finally in Public Domain!
« Reply #3 on: July 17, 2007, 07:18:25 PM »
Bleeding, bl00dy useless tossers.

Just as well I am feeling conciliatory.

Dave, sort it, I voted for you once and I don't even like lentils or sandals, I believed your vision of Swindon as a car park for my personal use.

Seriously matey, what the flip?

Isn't this a broken pledge?
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Re: RP Paper Finally in Public Domain!
« Reply #4 on: July 17, 2007, 07:19:26 PM »
I think there's a problem with the links.  You need to copy and paste the entire line into your browser (right up to the .pdf).  For some reason the whole url isn't recognised.

http://ww2.swindon.gov.uk/moderngov/Published/C00000285/M00003039/$$Supp707dDocPackPublic.pdf

http://ww2.swindon.gov.uk/moderngov/Published/C00000285/M00003039/$$ADocPackPublic.pdf

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Re: RP Paper Finally in Public Domain!
« Reply #5 on: July 17, 2007, 07:25:12 PM »
Well, I am, I admit it, vaguely impressed.

But also moderately concerned you know this stuff.

I may be gone some time, I shall return with some half arsed poorly considered, perhaps even inaccurate, overtly biased observations.

15 months of hard labour dismissed by a semi literate cynic in 30 minutes, here we go then.
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Re: RP Paper Finally in Public Domain!
« Reply #6 on: July 17, 2007, 07:51:31 PM »
It looks like it is item 9 on the agenda for next week's meeting - http://ww2.swindon.gov.uk/moderngov/ieIssueDetails.asp?IId=14448&Opt=3&J=9

Firstly I'll say that this report represents fundamental step change in thinking in how the issue is tackled, a single report cannot possibly cover every issue. Personally I think the recommendation that will have the single biggest impact in the future is the formation of an RP Advisory group of Cllrs and Officers. It will be able to look in detail at ongoing issues in a planned and measured way so that any recommendations the group puts forward are fully costed and the impact can be determined.  Issues such as the free use of carparks overnight by residents is the kind of thing this group will tackle - it would have been wrong to include this point in this report as 1 person wanted. The removal of yellow lines is another, the work has been conducted within the Highways department (so things have been happening in the background) and the Advisory Group will see it's results and recommend which areas are a priority for it to happen. There is only a limited pot of money but it's 300 spaces (10% increase in capacity) at a cost of £70k - there may well be ways to reduce that amount, but how it happens is for the group. We needed the Halcrow report to tie this up in a proper Cabinet report so it could be formally setup.

The actual wording of the Advisory Group recommendation is:

Create a Residents Parking Advisory Group (RPAG) as an Advisory group to the Cabinet Member for Highways, Transport and Strategic Planning with representatives from the Elected Members within whose Wards Residents Parking Zones exist, supported by appropriate officers and with a remit to advise on the management of Residents Parking; to address residents concerns and where necessary, by way of recommendations to the Cabinet Member for Highways, Transport and Strategic Planning, and/or the Director of Transport, to initiate change.

On the Planning sections of the report, these aren't just a committment it formally goes to the next Planning Committee as policy - I think it's 10th August. The latest draft was emailed to me this morning so some light reading tonight while I tweak it.

The Halcrow report is very thorough and looks at a variety of options, just because someone may not agree with some of them it doesn't mean it's wrong to consider them.

Just on the timescales, yes I would have loved to have this out a few months ago. However, starting from when I first got involved - October was the public meetings and the start of Halcrow's work, December/January the survey was out. In February, the results were collated and while running in parallel to Halcrow it did influence it's direction, in March first versions of draft were circulated then we hit election time. As we saw from that, certain people played Politics with the issue and nothing was going to be announced. May was all change on the Committees etc but with final drafts almost ready a meeting with local Cllrs occurred in June and it was placed onto July's Cabinet agenda. As a comparision, the new Grassroots Community grants policy was put together over Christmas/New Year by me, January/Feburary saw it go through the normal Council process and then it needed a 3 month Consultation period. A full 7 months later it is in place, what the recommendations of this report cover represent's a different level to that.

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Re: RP Paper Finally in Public Domain!
« Reply #7 on: July 17, 2007, 07:54:14 PM »
I think there's a problem with the links.  You need to copy and paste the entire line into your browser (right up to the .pdf).  For some reason the whole url isn't recognised.

http://ww2.swindon.gov.uk/moderngov/Published/C00000285/M00003039/$$Supp707dDocPackPublic.pdf

http://ww2.swindon.gov.uk/moderngov/Published/C00000285/M00003039/$$ADocPackPublic.pdf
You don't need to post the urls quite like this for Cabinet reports. If you click on the "Find out more" link, the reports are always in the meetings section.

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Re: RP Paper Finally in Public Domain!
« Reply #8 on: July 17, 2007, 08:23:55 PM »
You don't need to post the urls quite like this for Cabinet reports. If you click on the "Find out more" link, the reports are always in the meetings section.

Dale, the issue with this is that the problem I encountered as two duff links being posted.  I was never presented with a page that offered a 'find out more' link. The resulting screen simply said "You are not authorized to view this page".

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Re: RP Paper Finally in Public Domain!
« Reply #9 on: July 17, 2007, 08:29:12 PM »
No idea then, it works fine for me here. Anyhow, I've zipped and uploaded the files to my website - I'll keep this live for the next couple of days before taking down.

http://www.covinghamandnytheintouch.com/rp.zip

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« Reply #10 on: July 17, 2007, 08:33:36 PM »
Why. oh why, is there teenage pregnancy stats?

Is there a slimmed down version to come please?
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« Reply #11 on: July 18, 2007, 12:58:47 AM »
It's great isn't it that after finally becoming available, I won't have chance to look at the output until next week at the earliest.
Bugger.

James

(We're off camping this weekend in Much Wenlock, so I'm REALLY REALLY hoping the waether forecast is very wrong.)

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Re: RP Paper Finally in Public Domain!
« Reply #12 on: July 18, 2007, 06:31:57 AM »

Why. oh why, is there teenage pregnancy stats?

Is there a slimmed down version to come please?


Oh yes indeedy  :)

http://www.talkswindon.org/pdfs/RP.pdf


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Central Area Resident and On-Street Parking Review
CABINET Date: 25 July 2007
Further information on the subject of this report can be obtained from Geoff Bryant on
463675 or Email gbryant@swindon.gov.uk.
Author: Cabinet Member for Highways, Transport and Strategic Planning, and
the Group Director, Environment and Regeneration
Parish / Wards Affected: Central; Eastcott; Old Town
Purpose
• To present to Cabinet the Halcrow review of Central Area Resident and On-Street
Parking and to seek approval in respect of recommendations emanating from this
document and a survey of residents’ within Resident Parking Zones.
Recommendation
Cabinet is requested to
• Note the content of the review and the survey and retain Residents Parking Zones
in Swindon, but modify their management by authorising the Director of Transport
to pursue the following:-
(a) Create a Residents Parking Advisory Group (RPAG) as an Advisory group to
the Cabinet Member for Highways, Transport and Strategic Planning with
representatives from the Elected Members within whose Wards Residents
Parking Zones exist, supported by appropriate officers and with a remit to
advise on the management of Residents Parking; to address residents
concerns and where necessary, by way of recommendations to the Cabinet
Member for Highways, Transport and Strategic Planning, and/or the Director
of Transport, to initiate change.
(b) Subject to the costs being contained within existing budgets, increase
capacity for residents parking by:-
(i) Converting, where safe to do so, existing double yellow and single
yellow parking restrictions into Residents Parking Bays at an
estimated cost of £11K.
(ii) Undertake a phased programme to introduce “No Waiting At Any
Time”, Traffic Regulation Orders on those backways within
Residents Parking Zones and which form part of the public highway
at an estimated cost of £10k per Zone.
To oversee this commitment the RPAG advise on recommendations from the
Director of Transport on a zone-by-zone basis as to the extent of these
proposals, the final cost involved, funding availability and implications and
timescales for implementation. Given that the budget for this action plan is
Agenda Item 9

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Further information on the subject of this report can be obtained from Geoff Bryant on
463675 or Email gbryant@swindon.gov.uk.
insufficient, implementation will only take place when sufficient funding has
been identified and secured.
(c) Control the impact of development upon residents parking schemes within
the Borough by:-
(i) Encouraging more rigorous use of the Council’s
Local Plan Policy H12 "sub-division of dwellings" in order to refuse
and/or strictly control parking arrangements for houses in multiple
occupation and
(ii) Through planning controls limit the parking arrangement for new
developments on brownfield sites within Residents Parking Zones.
(c) That Resident Parking Permit Holders be allowed to park overnight in
appropriate car parks between the hours of 2200 and 0800 at no additional
charge. The RPAG to recommend which car parks are, for this purpose,
appropriate.
(d) In order to maximise on-street car parking capacity, particularly during Town
Centre regeneration, the Director of Transport be authorised to extend the
use of on-street parking meters where this does not directly reduce the
capacity of residents parking.
(e) That the schedule outlined Appendix 1 to this report, be prioritised for
inclusion on the initial agenda of the RPAG and that other possible options
identified in the Halcrow report and the residents survey as shown in
Appendix 2 of this report, be programmed for assessment and future
consideration by RPAG.
(f) Confirm that all personal information be removed from visitor permits.
1. Reasons
1.1 To consider the Halcrow review of Central Area Resident and On-Street
Parking.
2. Detail
2.1 Following negative reaction to changes in Residents Parking Scheme
policy in 2005/06, the Director of Transport was asked to work with elected
ward members and take a fresh look at resident and on street parking in
the central areas of Swindon. Having insufficient staff resource to do this,
officers commissioned the work from Halcrow through its framework
agreement with the Borough for transport, highway and civil engineering
work.

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CABINET Date: 25 July 2007
Further information on the subject of this report can be obtained from Geoff Bryant on
463675 or Email gbryant@swindon.gov.uk.
2.2 The Halcrow Report
(i) Comparison with other authorities
In addition to looking at the existing scheme in Swindon, Halcrow sought
to determine best practice elsewhere by comparison with that of seven
other local authorities.

o Bath and North East Somerset
o Nottingham
o Oxford
o Reading
o Cheltenham
o Taunton
o Newport

A full evaluation of the comparison can be found in Chapter 3 of the
Halcrow report attached as Appendix 3 to this document, but in summary
the following are examples of practice elsewhere that could be considered
by Swindon Borough Council.
• Allowing residents over the age of 60 to purchase double the number
of visitor permits as for those under 60 years old
• Linking the number of residents permits for which a household is
eligible to the off-street parking provision available to that household
• Planning restrictions on buildings converted from single to multiple
occupancy dwellings generating resident or visitor parking permits
• Issuing permits exempting doctors from resident only parking
restrictions whilst on call
• Permits issued to specific health care workers to enable parking in
resident only bays whilst on professional visits
• Issuing one carer permit per household for residents over 60, or
registered disabled, which shows up to a maximum of three
registration numbers
• Trade persons permits
• Landlord permits
(ii) Public Consultation
Elected Council members, led by Cllr Dale Heenan organised and
attended six public discussion meetings. The residents of all the

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463675 or Email gbryant@swindon.gov.uk.
resident parking zones were invited to attend the meeting most
convenient to them and give their views on how the scheme is
currently operated by the Council; to identify problems and to enable
suggestions to be made on how the scheme might be improved.
Over 100 residents attended the meetings, producing over 350
comments and generating in excess of 50 e-mails. Halcrow has
scheduled the content of this work on pages 31 and 32 of its report
(Appendix 3), with the key issues arising being capacity: the need to
provide additional spaces; permits: their allocation; and operational:
relating to enforcement, planning restrictions and identification of bays
etc.. Halcrow then looked at options that could be considered in order
to address these concerns which they included in a matrix shown on
page 46 of their report (Appendix 3). Your officers have reappraised
this matrix and identified the following key issues that should be
addressed:-
• The creation of a Resident Parking Advisory Group
• Use of planning controls to limit the number of permits to development
of brownfield sites and sub-division of properties into houses of
multiple occupation
• Measures to remove the obstruction of rear backways in order to allow
and encourage off road parking
• Increase capacity by converting, where safe to do so, existing double
yellow and single yellow parking restrictions into residents parking
bays
• Remove all personal information from permits
• The additional use of on street pay and display where this does not
negatively impact upon resident parking zones.
2.3 The Residents Parking Zone Survey
To supplement the work of the Halcrow report a separate questionnaire
based survey was undertaken of residents within the scheme using the
micro-democracy model. Over 1100 responses were received to this and
a summary of which is attached to this report as Appendix 4. Again key
issues emerge which significantly support the results of the Halcrow
consultation meetings and can be identified as follows:-
• That the resident parking scheme in Swindon should be retained, but
be modified

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463675 or Email gbryant@swindon.gov.uk.
• Visitor permit books should continue to be issued, ideally on a rolling
basis and with a refund policy for part used books
• That a Residents Parking Advisory Group should be created
• The free use of car parks overnight by resident parking permit holders
• Creating capacity by removing yellow line restrictions
• Encouraging and maintaining backway access to properties
• Restriction on the parking allocation for new properties
• Parking meters should not replace visitor permits.
2.4 Residents Parking Advisory Group
The creation of the above as an advisory body to the Cabinet Member on
the management of the resident parking scheme in Swindon is seen as
essential. It is anticipated that this Group will be one of the series of
Cabinet Member Advisory Groups with a remit to receive and consider
issues relating to resident and on street parking and submit
recommendations to the Cabinet Member for Highways, Transport and
Strategic Planning for decision or, where powers have been delegated, to
the Director of Transport.
The view of officers is that the Group should consist of two elected
representatives from each of the wards containing resident parking zones;
plus a lead member as chair and with officer support as appropriate from
within Transport and Planning directorates.
Matters arising from both the Halcrow Report; resident survey and officer
consideration and not forming one of the key recommendations in this
report have been included in appendices one and two for consideration by
the Residents Parking Advisory Group
Alternative Options
• Remove the resident parking zones and revert to unrestricted parking, but this
would go against the wishes of the residents by removing all assistance to them
and opening up on street parking to commuters and shoppers. It would impact
negatively upon use of public car parks and has the potential to increase
congestion. Chapter 5 of the Halcrow report (Appendix 3) enlarges upon this.
Risk Management
Financial and Procurement Implications
There are no significant procurement implications within this report. Financial

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implications are implicit as follows:-
• Conversion of existing yellow line restrictions into resident parking bays (Estimated
at 11K)
• Introducing No Waiting At Any Time regulation into backways within resident
parking zones (Could be done either by yellow line orders or creation of a parking
restriction zone with signs only. Costs are similar, with an example of Zone D in
Eastcott ward costed at an estimated 10K.
• There is currently an annual revenue allocation of 5K for maintenance of the
resident parking scheme which is insufficient to implement the measures required.
• No capital funding has been identified for improvements to the scheme and
although some costs could be met from within existing traffic management revenue
funding, additional funding sources need to be identified. Some measures will have
the potential to increase income, which suggests additional funding could be
generated from within the operating account for residents parking. To this end, an
Agenda item has been included on the first meeting of the Resident Parking
Advisory Group to receive a full financial appraisal of the scheme costs.
Legal / Human Rights Implications
• There are no direct legal or Human rights implications in this report.
Links to Corporate Plans and Policies (in particular to Swindon 2010 Promises)
• None.
Consultees
• The Director of Finance (Section 151 Officer) and Director of Law and Democratic
Services (Monitoring Officer) are consulted in respect of all reports.
• Relevant elected ward members
• Cllr Dale Heenan
• Cllr Peter Greenhalgh Lead Member for Transport Strategic Planning and Highways
• Residents within the parking zones
Background Papers and Appendices
• Appendix 1, Suggested Initial agenda for the Resident Parking Advisory Group
(RPAG)
• Appendix 2, suggested agenda for subsequent meetings of RPAG
• Appendix 3, Halcrow report on resident and on-street parking in Swindon central
area
• Appendix 4 Summary of resident survey
Appendices 3 is contained in Annex 1, circulated as a Separate Document with
the Agenda Papers. Appendix 4 is available in the Members’ Room.
Key Decision / Decision in Forward Plan
• This is a Key Decision and is included in the Cabinet Forward Plan for July 2007.

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APPENDIX 1
INITIAL AGENDA FOR
THE RESIDENT PARKING ADVISORY GROUP
• To receive the proposals in respect of recommendations (a) and (b) of
the report, namely, replacement of double yellow and single yellow
restrictions into residents parking bays and the introduction of “No
Waiting At Any Time” restrictions into backways and alleyways.
• Determine those car parks within parking zones appropriate for
overnight use by residents.
• The potential for books of visitor permits operating on a “rolling” basis,
with a refund policy for part used books, and the number of books to be
issued and the cost thereof.
• The potential for marking out resident parking bays.
• A full appraisal of finance and operating costs in respect of the
residents parking scheme

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APPENDIX 2
FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS FOR
THE RESIDENT PARKING ADVISORY GROUP
• Change a Zone’s operating hours.
• Increase the number of visitors parking permits for over 60s.
• Visitor permits for over 60s to be free of charge.
• Introduce permits for Doctors and Health Care workers.
• Relate the price of permits to the scale of vehicle emissions or size of
vehicle.
• Cap the number of residents parking permits issued in each Zone to
the number of spaces available or a multiple thereof.
• Make payments more widely available through local retail outlets.
• Exempt permit holders from time limited on-street parking controls.
• Replace “No Waiting At Any Time” restrictions in existence in Resident
Parking Zones to create passing places with a single yellow line
restriction.
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« Reply #13 on: July 23, 2007, 12:23:29 PM »
Finally finished skim-reading the report.

A bit disappounted really.
I thought the basic comparison work with other auitorities was interesting and some good ideas were forthcoming. (different stuff for people with carers for erxample)

However, the thing which seemed to be missing is what is most basic question of all:
"What is the problem with residents parking in Swindon"

At no point did I find any analysis (beyond the trivial which we've seen before) of the issues which are being faced in the various zones.
I think that not finding out what the problems actually are, and when they occur basically undermines much of the otherwise good work.

Measurement of parking penalty notices or number of (actual or potential) available off-road parking in each of the zones would help complete the picture with only small additional survey cost.

I an concerned that the report will be used as a hammer to push changes through and silence critics in (and out of) the council chamber, despite these rather critical gaps.

I hope that I have missed something in the detail, but I do not think I have. Anyone?

Sorry Dale, but I must confess myself to be rather disappointed.

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« Reply #14 on: July 24, 2007, 11:48:12 AM »
An example of what I mean...

This from the executive summary pages...
Recommendation 3:
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Where highway safety is not compromised, convert existing double yellow and single yellow line
restrictions to permit holder only bays, to increase the number of spaces available for residents. It is
anticipated that an additional 308 spaces will be added to the existing number of 3279

All well and good. But it gives no clue as to what this will actually mean for the residents involved. In a zone where demand is 30% more than spaces, a 10% increase will barely be noticed. And in one where there is almost no excess demand it will also barely be noticed.
And sadly, only looking at permits in issue does not resolve this.

By providing supply solutions without understanding demand, we may well be getting poor value for money.

But as I said I may have missed something in the report itself.

James

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« Reply #15 on: July 24, 2007, 03:46:53 PM »
Hi

I can see where you are coming from... quickly on your points, about to dash off to a meeting.

There is a table in the report which sets out how many spaces can be created from removing the yellow lines in each Zone. 308 spaces is the total number which can be added based on where it is safe to do so, this work has already been undertaken by the department. It doesn't really matter whether demand is x, y or z in a particular Zone, SBC can only create this amount without compromising safety and that is what the recommendation is putting forward. It has to be short and to the point so it's not the place to cover demand, it's still 308 spaces that wouldn't otherwise be there. The implementation of this is down to the Advisory Group.

Your first post kind of covers the whole point of that group and why we are keen on it happening. It's in the context of this group where for example, the analysis of the pcn's by street/zone etc could be useful with identifying and dealing with issues at a low level to make a difference. The first meeting for example will include discussions on which car parks, if any, can be used free by residents overnight. This will mean talking over revenue implications, likely demand, would it actually make a difference, PCNs, how to implement etc, this report cannot and should not go down to that level.

It's a complex area but I hope this framework works out, I'm certainly hoping everyone can get their head around the approach because it is quite different. I'm not aware of anywhere else that operates a group in the way proposed, particularly from a non-political stance. When people start saying they threatened to throw their toys out of the pram because they didn't get their way, I think that reflects on them and also kind of defeats the whole point of working constructively together.

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« Reply #16 on: July 24, 2007, 09:15:09 PM »
Mmmm.

How big is a space then? Someone must know, or how do you count them?

Then, what is the tolerance allowed between vehicles? The wastage as it were, some rum old types seem to be under the illusion they are towing an invisible caravan.

How does this definition of a space compare to the average length of car currently in use in Swindon? (DVLA will help out with that one, they are proper fonts of wisdom, and getting wiser everyday), or we could settle for the average car length in the UK.

Does it make any difference to the total spaces available?

Wouldn't mind but I asked these rather fundamental questions last summer.

Finally, where is my 'Good Boy Badge' and swingeing Council Tax cut for using a garage, and off road parking space?
Sometimes I think you have to march right in and demand your rights, even if you don’t know what your rights are, or who the person is you’re talking to. Then, on the way out, slam the door.

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Re: RP Paper Finally in Public Domain!
« Reply #17 on: July 25, 2007, 11:28:27 AM »
Thanks for coming back Dale.

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It has to be short and to the point so it's not the place to cover demand, it's still 308 spaces that wouldn't otherwise be there. The implementation of this is down to the Advisory Group.


But how much will it actually improve things? Without demand you can't say.
If those spaces will be created predominantly in zones without much of a problem, you have largely wasted the investment in change.

This is a big miss, and rather undermines the reports conclusions and recommendations doesn't it...?

James

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Re: RP Paper Finally in Public Domain!
« Reply #18 on: July 25, 2007, 07:38:07 PM »
Not really because it's the Advisory Group which will decide the way in which the spaces will be phased in. Doing all 300 spaces will take time, but those areas which have the greatest demand should come first... it also ties into the use of car parks question.


The report was accepted by Cabinet and can now be moved forward. The planning related points from the paper should all being well go to Committee on August 14th. I hope everyone will be onboard and willing to work on this, just a shame that once again the Liberals didn't bother to turn to a meeting affecting residents!

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Re: RP Paper Finally in Public Domain!
« Reply #19 on: July 25, 2007, 11:14:48 PM »
Hmm.

Do you know when the advisory groups first set of recommendations are be expected to be delivered?

James