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Offline Terry Reynolds

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cash strapped council.....
« on: December 05, 2015, 02:41:32 PM »
This council is making noises nearly every day about the lack of money they, but now they are going to have to fork out for a bye election, because a councillor is going to stand by her convictions.  Earlier this year, when it was announced that the council, because of its cash limits, was going to close 7 of the current child care centres.  At the council meeting, where this was debated, the member for child care responsibilities, was asked if the remaining 5 centres were safe from closure, She told the meeting that these 5 centres were ring fenced, and if anybody tried to close them, she would resign.  Well that has now taken place and they will shut in due time. So when can we now expect the bye election to be held due to her resignation, or is that a no no, and she isn't a lady of her word...



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« Reply #1 on: December 05, 2015, 08:38:51 PM »
Not just SBC that is cash-strapped Terry. Last week I had a (genuine) corporation tax bill from HMRC for 20p.
Either they've given up on chasing Starbucks, Amazon et al, or it's time for me to move off shore. :surrender:
Wonder how much it'll cost them to process my payment -- given that they have already forked out for an envelope and stamp.

Could you save this government money ?

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« Reply #2 on: December 06, 2015, 10:15:28 AM »
my tax return this year was for £2.15p unpaid tax, and it will come out of next years tax. I did write and ask how much it cost to send me the invoice and then to cash in my cheque etc but didn't get a reply.. as for saving the gov money, first of all I would cut the lords down to around 100 members and make the daily pay rate of around £50.. make MPs pay the same restraint as they do to nurses etc  and of course stop international aid.....

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« Reply #3 on: December 06, 2015, 04:18:46 PM »
I did write and ask how much it cost to send me the invoice and then to cash in my cheque etc but didn't get a reply..

If you had received a reply, would you have then had to write a letter asking much the reply cost? Where would it end?

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first of all I would cut the lords down to around 100 members and make the daily pay rate of around £50.

Sounds like inverted snobbery to me. The Living Wage is £9.40 per hour in London. Are you opposed to the living wage?

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make MPs pay the same restraint as they do to nurses etc

An MP is paid £74,000 and on average each MP serves 92,000 people. Our MP costs us about 80p per year. You could half their salary and save us 40p, but we would get worst candidates. I can't see a qualified barrister becoming an MP in return for a nurses salary. The government would be run by taxi drivers.

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and of course stop international aid.....


That is your personal choice, but I am happy for my taxes to help a starving African child born into a life of poverty and famine (for example). We could stop international aid via taxation and leave it to individuals to contribute via charities if they choose to, but how does differ from taxation funding children's centres? We could stop funding those too and let people decide for themselves. I don't see the difference.


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« Reply #4 on: December 06, 2015, 08:25:46 PM »
well if you want , then pay them the living wage, but I don't see why we pay them around the 300 mark so they can go there and fall asleep..
International aid. some examples in the past few months of how our money is spent.
292 million to India, who have a programme of sending rockets to the moon and mars, better than even us.
aid for fishermen in the carribean, enough said...
money to build harbour jetties for fishermen in the island of madagasca. these jetties were built at a cost of millions of pounds in the north of the island, but have never been used, as all the fishermen are in the south of the island
I have lost touch with the reports of presidents building castles or houses or buying planes with money given, while at the same time the locals are starving.
If this money was used by british agencies, and also please note the money from this 16bn which these agencies keep in fees etc, was used to build houses or water aids etc then I would spend as much, but when you read, for instance that there are over 9,000 homeless ex service personnel in this country,  a report in the national press last week said that there are around 4 million oaps who cant afford to heat their homes,then I think the mater should be reviewed.
sorry nearly forgot, we also have our two MPs going around with a begging bowl, to get money to build a new part of the hospital, so people don't have to go to Oxford for treatment..

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« Reply #5 on: December 06, 2015, 11:20:13 PM »
Terry, if I'm honest I don't necessarily disagree with your key points.

I think that when you weigh up the costs of running the country, things like MPs salaries are so insignificant they become a very low priority. At a local level, millions of pounds are significant. At a national level, spread over 65 million people they become insignificant.

I would be more concerned at the cost of employing senior SBC staff at £200,000+ than our MPs at £74,000.

There is a lot of pressure on council budgets that should be paid out of central government funding. Taxing people based on the value of their properties might be relevant to collecting our wheelie bins, but it isn't really relevant to social care. Perhaps it is time to ditch the council tax and fund services via income tax and corporation tax. Get the likes of Starbucks to pay their fair share.

I am not against immigrants coming here if they want to work and pay tax. After all a Syrian family wanting to work and pay tax would be less of a burden on the state than a lot of UK citizens who expect a free ride.

When I hear about tsunamis and other natural disasters in remote parts of the world, I am proud that the UK taxpayer chips in to help. I am not against international aid.

I also agree that all ex-servicemen should be adequately provided for. I don't understand why charities like Help the Heroes exist, because our government should automatically be providing this service at the taxpayers expense. If we are prepared to send military personnel to war zones, they should be given the best equipment and the best aftercare if they are injured. 

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« Reply #6 on: December 07, 2015, 09:03:22 AM »
We've ben told they have to reduce the welfare budget Starting* on Penhill - because it is £500k a year and 43% of the budget spent by SBC on Penhill.  *They always practice here first.

However if it comes to saving actual money, maybe they should look a the actual cost of wards, rather than the %.

Dorcan's cost are 900K. 

To help reduce cost, they have started to work together (lol), mostly by exchanging information at a monthly meeting, a few projects have ensued. I very much question the validity of those projects as 'cutting costs' and in any way reducing budgets.

I consider them to be an extravagance SBC cannot afford. Even if I apply good community development practice to them, they do not work that way and in fact seem to have to call outside bodies in to complete them.

The information exchange group is replicating another local group that has been doing that for 21 years at no cost to the SBC whatsoever. We have always regretted the non -appearance of officers to it, but recognise the  cost to the borough in wages when officers attend.  I imagine say 10 mid-management officers for 2 hours plus travel time adds up to quite a bill.   



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« Reply #7 on: December 07, 2015, 09:20:12 AM »
SM, Yes I think we may have to disagree,
MPs pay is right and proper, but how can someone stand up and say we need 11% pay rise, at the same time they are fixing it for nurses to stay on 1% for 5 years. the point about ceos pay is also right, they should never be above an mps pay, as they hold the responsiblity for the job. but when you read council leaders saying the council is strapped for cash and paying out those amounts to not only 1 member of staff it is outrageous.. But then I dont live in the world of commerce and would think most CEOs would be agast at that comment about pay..
As for tsunamis and other disasters, yes we should do our bit, but not a general feed for the world.  and with recent floods in the south west and now in the north, have you seen many other countries sending us aid of any kind..  :coffee:
Note also no response from any councillor about the forth coming bye election...........

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« Reply #8 on: December 10, 2015, 09:57:45 AM »
In todays adver column, the leader tells us of the struggle to run the council and how hard the cash situation is, but it was announced yesterday, they have now given the 'forward swindon' lot a sum of around 2 million to get swindon going, this after giving them a dosh hand out of around half a million just to run their office, and so it goes on, where did they find that 2 million, was it in a drawer, or have they continue their weekly £400,000 borrowing just keep on top of the debt.. the mind boggles....
q... for response from any councillor !!!!!!!!!

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« Reply #9 on: December 11, 2015, 10:57:26 AM »
Here Terry, I think our Council may actually have the right idea.

Under current arrangements, they will actually get to keep most of the increase in business rates.

The only question is  - are forward Swindon the right people to be throwing the money at?

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« Reply #10 on: December 16, 2015, 10:39:00 AM »
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are forward Swindon the right people to be throwing the money at?

perhaps that depends whether you judge them on their track record... OR their accountability to the tax payer, eh?  >:(
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